General DiscussionYou can win with any hero and lineup

is this bullshit i smell?

yes definitely bullshit

It's not bullshit.

You'll be at a disadvantage with shit lineups but theres definitely an ideal way to play to maximise your winning chances.

How often does russian 5 carry teams win?

"just distribute farm and be less greedy and..."

Ok, it's certainly possible. 5% out of every game you get with these conditions.

Humans are naturally selfish you know?

^^itshould be EUW then, so they are most probably pkaying against another 5 caryy full-russian team, so the answer is "strictly in 50% of cases"

In pubs with 5 players all with their own agenda it's simply not true. Most pub matches can be predicted at start just based on picks.

^ imo pub matches are the hardest to predict, pro matches don't

^ this

a lot of crazy shit happens in pubs so even when a game looks completely unwinnable, it can be often turned around

yeah there were many games where we won with 5 carries against a decent all role lineup

70% games throw coz some shits starting to cry like a little girls, then they r going to stupid egoist moves, then team is starting to be dismoraled and gg

I think supports are cool, arent they? Everybody should learn to play support, because when you have a support, you have 80% chance to win the match. There are no shitty line up when u have a support on your side, i think.

^ I play supports in 90% of my matches and I can tell you that is simply not true.

You could also win a duel with a knife but you would be quite the idiot to not use a gun right?

I admire your point but let's be honest people are sheep and they mainly want low skill high reward.

Side note something I found awesome maybe a lot of people wouldn't combo. My offlane lc and spamming his "w" ability on my teams tiny carry good lord the rape.

PICK CARRY WIN DOTKA

You can win everygame , but if you start a ranked game and enemy team has BS , Lesh , Tusk , WW , Shaker then u wont win if they dont fuck up hard.

"oracle, alchemist, shadow demon, wisp, batrider

gl."

umm this is a good lineup?
batrider offlane, oracle is a legit mid, alchemist farming safe lane with wisp and SD stacking. easy kills on offlaner with ban + stun then farm a shitton of stacks and relocate while charging stun gg

"There are no stupid hero picks. There are only stupid ways of playing these picks."

There are stupid people like you. You wanna go draft in TI5 finals? What on earth are you even saying with no stupid hero picks?

"You'll be at a disadvantage with shit lineups but theres definitely an ideal way to play to maximise your winning chances."

No shit? There's always a way to maximize your chance of winning, is this a new concept to you? You minimize those disadvantages with smart hero picks that have a strategy to survive certain stages of the game. Whats your point?

Most heroes have multiple roles they can fulfill, that makes every lineup playable at least. But of course you can maximize your win chances with smart picks that counter enemy heroes.

Each situation calls for a certain lineup. There are situations when lineup A is bad and lineup B is good.

"yeah there were many games where we won with 5 carries against a decent all role lineup "

It's not about who has most balance or carries, usually you can just determine who got counter picked or not and then who has best disables. Like this one, http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1671315904

I fp bb, next guy picks brood, incoming axe pick, then next guy picks dazzle! Two direct counters, trying to make your hc bb, didn't matter other team had no pure support or carry, we had nothing to counter blood or qop and they directly countered two of our heroes. Worst part was the entire game lc kept talking about how bad we were playing and we could win this just play better when you'd have to play fucking perfect and other team would have to fuck up badly to lose that matchup.

Ursa plz..http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1686690137

37:08Ursa Ursa: lion not in team fight again.
37:11Ursa Ursa: Bcos no kills to steal.
39:00Ursa Ursa: 1k mmr team 0 tps carried on anyone lol.
35:06Ursa Ursa: sorry lion is trash only uses skills to ks.

no bkb ursa went as well as expected

AT the highest level where everyone is skilled and has spent months working together, games are lost in the drafting phase.
At < 2k, the author's comment is entirely true. Most players can only play ~5 heroes. Counterpicks are almost irrelevant because player skill is more important.
IN between, there is an emphasis on both drafting and in-game skill.

However, I agree with the author's sentiment. There is an overemphasis in NA/EU DotA2 on being "efficient" and "mistake free", like if mistakes and inefficiencies are somehow within the control of the player. Please remember that forcing your enemies make mistakes is a skill; being able to manage demoralized teammates is a skill; analyzing your enemies psychology and then choosing an unconventional build to terrorize him is a skill; trashtalking/making risky plays to demoralize or provoke the enemy at the right time is a skill. Under the right conditions, even the calmest professional can and will tilt, rage, or make serious errors, especially in solo queue.

There really are three kinds of skill in DotA. People/team skill and mental/decision skill and gameplay/reflex skill. A "cancer" hero that doesn't require much reflex skill doesn't mean anything if you have poor decision skills (and feed) or poor people skilsl (and flame team). In fact, many of these heroes actually require better mental and people skills because they are often the primary target of the enemy.

its such a good thing isn't it when you think you figured out this game in normal skill?

I agree with the Chinese dude :P

In low ranked pubs, sure, literally anything can and will happen. 5 competent player with a pulse vs 5 similarly skilled players? Nah, smart picks are incredibly important.