General DiscussionDoes IP/Same PC matters when you make a smurf? Experiment: from Norma...

Ive already proved that it doesnt matter

You can artificially create any mmr from any ip

^u can do anything and stuff that obvious doesnt need any proof to support it, but the q is about the starting point

lmao.

Same with the starting mmr, every game on every new acc got placed against new accs. They can be smurfs or new accs, but im yet to get placed in a first game where there wasnt another 1-2 actual noob accs

Also the low behavior shadow pool is a bullshit excuse made from dunning kruger idiots who cant blame themselves for losing.

Yes, you can get idiotic feeders, and even i got them on this acc once 10 games in a row after getting to 5420

They would literally feed and afk and abandon 10 games in a row

But it doesnt matter as i am higher skill and if you can reach some mmr once, you can reach it once again.

Aka after those 10 games ive started winning mmr like usual.

i didnt read anything in OP but this seems relevant: after fucking around on a few different accounts im 95% sure smurf pool exists, even for ranked.

on my 2k smurf every fucking game is full of people claiming they are 4/5/6k smurfs (and then ofc they proceed to feed because they aren't actually 6k they are some 4k moron on a smurf)

thats not only proof thereis plenty more but im sure smurf pool exists.

the average hidden mmr of the first match on new accs varies depending on who made the smurf. op's question is about the tracking system valve uses. you are replying to a different question.

I made 2 smurfs in the past both calibrating at 4300 and 4500, but the sec. one I tried to int. feed a few games to see if it'll calibrate me 2k.

But both times I didn't care about behavior score. And it seems that it matters, because, game quality decrased dramatically as I droped to 4500.

At 7500 you'd get 2 normal games, 1 hard game, 1 unwinable game. At 4500 it's mostly 24/7 grief/troll games.

So I'm interested to see if I can get at least 8500-9000 behavior score and see if it'll actually matter.

i got 9500 and had it pretty much since forever
and i got matched with hanter in solo q once
just saying

if there was a separate pool for low beh score, the q time for me would be 6-7 minutes; but it actually oasts 2 mins and a half. i get to play with both positive players, and those ones who play ~50% of their matches in lpq.

^

I don't think there's such a thing as divided player base for high/low behavior score players,but I do belive in this:

You, as 9500 get priority over players with lower behavior score. So, if you que and there's 9 players with simiular beh. score, you get to play a decent game.

If you que in a weird hours or system can't find similar beh. score, you will get placed with players with lower ones.

With that being said, we can't know if Hanter was a toxic player or he just trolls a lot in general.

Ok, how about this:

Let's possibly say that there is some IP tracking and for some reason it tracks my starting mmr at 0 every time i make a smurf but it tracks yours at 4k lets say.

I want all of you to make me a smurf and ill play 1-2 games on each and track the skill bracket/behavior score

If you want play 1 coop bot game as that doesnt edit the skill bracket from what ive seen so that it maybe additonally tracks your ip for the first match

First game is on. Thinker and Invoker are fighting for me, while I picked Slark and gently marked safelane. Dis gona be gud

it doesnt matter where you can get these smurfs in two games, the question is about a different thing, stop please

the IP thing comes from the fact that some ppl make smurfs and get VHS on the very first game. now that is unusual dont u think?

i kinda doubt there's such a thing, shred. it would be pointless not to make it oficially stated, considering the goals.

What do you want me to do?

Create a new acc, be an asshole to everyone to drop my behavior score to like 1k and then track the game difficulty?

Ｉ ｗａｓ ｔｈｅ ｋｉｄ ｔｈａｔ ｐｏｋｅｄ ｈｏｌｅｓ ｉｎ ｔｈｅ ｐｌａｓｔｉｃ ｐａｃｋａｇｉｎｇ ｏｆ ｐａｐｅｒ ｔｏｗｅｌｓ ａｎｄ ｔｏｉｌｅｔ ｐａｐｅｒ. Ｉ ｗａｓ ｔｈｅ ｋｉｄ ｔｈａｔ ｐｉｃｋｅｄ ｕｐ ｊｕｓｔ ａｂｏｕｔ ｅｖｅｒｙｔｈｉｎｇ ｉｎ ｔｈｅ ｇｒｏｃｅｒｙ ｓｔｏｒｅ. Ｉ＇ｄ ｓｑｕｅｅｚｅ ｔｈｅ ｌｏａｖｅｓ ｏｆ ｂｒｅａｄ. Ｐｒｅｓｓ ｍｙ ｆａｃｅ ａｇａｉｎｓｔ ｔｈｅ ｂｅｅｒ ｓｉｘ－ｐａｃｋｓ.
Ｂｕｔ ｔｈｅ ｏｎｅ ｓｅｃｔｉｏｎ Ｉ ａｌｗａｙｓ ａｖｏｉｄｅｄ ｄｕｒｉｎｇ ｔｈｅｓｅ ｔａｃｔｉｌｅ ｅｘｃｕｒｓｉｏｎｓ ｗａｓ ｔｈｅ ｍｅａｔｓ. Ｔｈｅ ａｓｃｅｐｔｉｃ ｃｅｌｌｏｐｈａｎｅ ａｎｄ ｓｔｙｒｏｆｏａｍ ｐａｃｋａｇｉｎｇ, ｔｈｅ ｄｅｅｐ ｒｅｄ ｃｏｌｏｒ ｏｆ ｔｈｅ ｍｅａｔｓ, ｔｈｅ ｉｎｔｅｒｃｅｌｌｕｌａｒ ｆｌｕｉｄ ｔｈａｔ ｗａｓ ａｐｔ ｔｏ ｌｅａｋ ｏｎｔｏ ｙｏｕｒ ｈａｎｄｓ ａｎｄ ｍａｋｅ ｔｈｅｍ ｓｔｉｃｋｙ. Ｉｔ ｄｉｄｎ＇ｔ ｅｘｃｉｔｅ ｍｅ ａｔ ａｌｌ.
Ａｒｏｕｎｄ ｔｈｅ ｔｉｍｅ Ｉ ｅｎｔｅｒｅｄ ａｄｏｌｅｓｃｅｎｃｅ, Ｉ ｌｅａｒｎｅｄ ａｂｏｕｔ ｍｅｎｓｔｒｕａｔｉｏｎ. Ｉ ｊｕｓｔ ａｓｓｕｍｅｄ ｔｈａｔ ｍｅｎ ｇｏｔ ｕｓｅｄ ｔｏ ａｎｄ ｅｖｅｎ ｅｎｊｏｙｅｄ ｗｈｅｎ ｔｈｅｉｒ ｇｉｒｌｆｒｉｅｎｄｓ ａｎｄ ｗｉｖｅｓ ｈａｄ ｂｌｏｏｄ ｇｕｓｈｉｎｇ ｆｒｏｍ ｔｈｅｉｒ ｇｅｎｉｔａｌｉａ. Ｍａｙｂｅ ｓｅｘｕａｌ ａｔｔｒａｃｔｉｏｎ ａｎｄ ａｒｏｕｓａｌ ｗｅｒｅ ａｃｑｕｉｒｅｄ ｔａｓｔｅｓ. Ｔａｓｔｅｓ ｌｉｋｅ ｙｏｕ ｍｉｇｈｔ ｆｏｒｍ ｆｏｒ ｃｏｆｆｅｅ ｏｒ ｂｅｅｒ.
Ａｎｄ, ｓｏ, Ｉ ｗａｓ ｄｅｔｅｒｍｉｎｅｄ ｔｏ ｔｅａｃｈ ｍｙｓｅｌｆ ｔｏ ｅｎｊｏｙ ｍｙ ｉｍａｇｉｎｅｄ ｆｕｔｕｒｅ ｌｏｖｅｒ＇ｓ ｍｏｎｔｈｌｙ ｅｘｓａｎｇｕｉｎａｔｉｏｎ. Ｉ ｓｔａｒｔｅｄ ｖｉｓｉｔｉｎｇ ｔｈｅ ｍｅａｔ ｓｅｃｔｉｏｎ.
Ｍｅａｔ ｉｓ ｓｕｒｐｒｉｓｉｎｇｌｙ ｓｅｘｕａｌ. Ｔｈｅ ｐｏｒｎｏｇｒａｐｈｉｃ ｒｅｄ ｃｏｌｏｒ ｏｆ ｓｏ ｍｕｃｈ ｏｆ ｉｔ. Ｔｈｅ ｆｌｅｓｈ ｔｈａｔ ｅｘｉｓｔｓ ｆｏｒ ｙｏｕｒ ｐｌｅａｓｕｒｅ. Ｃｈｉｃｋｅｎ ｂｒｅａｓｔｓ ａｎｄ ｔｈｉｇｈｓ ｃａｎ ｂｅ ｆｏｎｄｌｅｄ ｗｉｔｈｏｕｔ ｒｅｐｅｒｃｕｓｓｉｏｎ. Ｐｏｒｋ ｃｈｏｐｓ ａｐｐｅａｒｅｄ ｍｕｃｈ ｌｉｋｅ Ｉ ｉｍａｇｉｎｅｄ ｍｅａｔｙ ｐｕｓｓｙ ｌｉｐｓ ｍｉｇｈｔ. Ｅｖｅｎ ｔｈｉｃｋ－ｓｌｉｃｅｄ ｈａｍ＇ｓ ｔｅｘｔｕｒｅ ｒｅｍｉｎｄｅｄ ｍｅ ｏｆ ｈｏｗ Ｉ ｉｍａｇｉｎｅｄ ｔｈｅ ｉｎｓｉｄｅ ｏｆ ａ ｖａｇｉｎａ ｍｉｇｈｔ ｆｅｅｌ. Ｓｌｉｇｈｔｌｙ ｕｎｅｖｅｎ, ａ ｂｉｔ ｓｍｏｏｔｈ, ｂｕｔ ｓｔｉｌｌ ｒｏｕｇｈ ｅｎｏｕｇｈ ｔｏ ｐｒｏｖｉｄｅ ｐｌｅａｓｕｒａｂｌｅ ｒｕｂｂｉｎｇ ｆｒｉｃｔｉｏｎ.
Ｉ ｆｉｎｇｅｒｅｄ ｔｈｅ ｍｅａｔｓ ｔｈｒｏｕｇｈ ｔｈｅｉｒ ｃｏｎｄｏｍ－ｌｉｋｅ ｐｌａｓｔｉｃ ｐｒｏｔｅｃｔｉｖｅ ｃｏｖｅｒｉｎｇｓ. Ｗｈｏｌｅ ｃｈｉｃｋｅｎｓ ｗｉｔｈ ｔｈｅｉｒ ｉｎｔｅｒｉｏｒ ｃａｖｉｔｉｅｓ ｈｏｌｌｏｗｅｄ ｏｕｔ, ｒｅａｄｙ ｆｏｒ ｓｔｕｆｆｉｎｇ. Ｓｐｒｅａｄ ｅａｇｌｅ, ｇａｐｉｎｇ ｗｉｄｅ. Ｙｏｕ ｃａｎ＇ｔ ｇｅｔ ｍｕｃｈ ｍｏｒｅ ｓｅｘｕａｌ ｔｈａｎ ｔｈａｔ.
Ｐａｃｋａｇｅｓ ｏｆ ｇｒｏｕｎｄ ｂｅｅｆ. Ｔｈｅ ｓｏｆｔ－ｔｅｘｔｕｒｅｄ ｙｅｔ ｖｉｓｃｅｒａｌｌｙ ｒｅｄ ｆｌｅｓｈ ｐｌａｙ－ｄｏｕｇｈ. Ｉ ｐｏｋｅｄ ｈｏｌｅｓ ｉｎ ｔｈｅ ｐａｃｋａｇｉｎｇ ａｎｄ ｆｉｎｇｅｒｅｄ ｔｈｅ ｈｏｒｒｉｄ ｍｉｘ. Ｉ ｓｔｕｃｋ ｍｙ ｗｈｏｌｅ ｈａｎｄ ｉｎ ａ ｂｕｌｋ ｐａｃｋａｇｅ ｏｆ ｇｒｏｕｎｄ ｂｅｅｆ. Ａｎｄ Ｉ ｆｏｕｎｄ ｍｙｓｅｌｆ ｅｘｔｒｅｍｅｌｙ ａｒｏｕｓｅｄ.
Ｉ ｓｔａｒｔｅｄ ｕｓｉｎｇ ｍｙ ｓｐａｒｅ ｃａｓｈ ｔｏ ｂｕｙ ｎｅａｒ－ｅｘｐｉｒａｔｉｏｎ ｐａｃｋａｇｅｓ ｏｆ ｍｅａｔ. Ｉｆ ｎｏ ｏｎｅ ｅｌｓｅ ｗａｓ ｇｏｉｎｇ ｔｏ ｌｏｖｅ ｔｈｅｍ, Ｉ ｗｏｕｌｄ.
Ｊｕｓｔ ａｂｏｕｔ ａｎｙ ｏｆ ｔｈｅ ｍｅａｔ ｐｒｏｄｕｃｔｓ ｃｏｕｌｄ ｅａｓｉｌｙ ｂｅ ｆａｓｈｉｏｎｅｄ ｉｎｔｏ ａ ｓｕｒｒｏｇａｔｅ ｖａｇｉｎａ ｏｒ ｏｒｉｆｉｃｅ ｏｆ ｃｈｏｉｃｅ. Ｂｕｔ ｍｙ ｆａｖｏｒｉｔｅｓ ｗｅｒｅ ｔｈｅ ｇｒｏｕｎｄ ｍｅａｔｓ. Ｙｏｕ ｃｏｕｌｄ ｍｏｌｄ ｔｈｅｍ ｉｎｔｏ ａｎｙｔｈｉｎｇ. Ｔｈｅ ｆｉｒｓｔ ｔｉｍｅ Ｉ ｆｕｃｋｅｄ ａ ｍｏｕｎｄ ｏｆ ８０／２０ ｇｒｏｕｎｄ ｃｈｕｃｋ, Ｉ ｅｘｐｅｒｉｅｎｃｅｄ ｎｅａｒ ｓｅｎｓｏｒｙ ｏｖｅｒｌｏａｄ. Ｔｈｅ ｏｂｓｃｅｎｅｌｙ ｃｒｉｍｓｏｎ ｃｏｌｏｒ ｏｆ ｔｈｅ ｍｅａｔ, ｔｈｅ ｓｏｆｔ, ｐｌｉａｂｌｅ ｔｅｘｔｕｒｅ, ｔｈｅ ｓｏｕｎｄ ｉｔ ｍａｄｅ ａｓ Ｉ ｇｅｎｔｌｙ ｆｕｃｋｅｄ ａ ｈｏｌｅ ｉｎｔｏ ｉｔ. Ｔｈｅ ｗｏｎｄｅｒｆｕｌ ｓｏｕｎｄ ｏｆ ｆｌｅｓｈ ｓｕｃｔｉｏｎｉｎｇ ａｒｏｕｎｄ ｍｙ ｄｉｃｋ. Ａｎｄ Ｉ ｏｗｎｅｄ ｉｔ. Ｔｈｉｓ ｆｌｅｓｈ ｗａｓ ｍｉｎｅ ｔｏ ａｂｕｓｅ ａｎｄ ｕｓｅ ａｓ Ｉ ｓａｗ ｆｉｔ.
Ｔｈｅ ｂｅｓｔ ｐａｒｔ ａｂｏｕｔ ｆｕｃｋｉｎｇ ａ ｍｏｕｎｄ ｏｆ ｇｒｏｕｎｄ ｂｅｅｆ ｉｓ ｙｏｕ ｃａｎ ｂｌｏｗ ａ ｌｏａｄ ｒｉｇｈｔ ｉｎｔｏ ｉｔ, ｍｉｘ ｉｔ ｂａｃｋ ｗｉｔｈ ｔｈｅ ｒｅｓｔ ｏｆ ｔｈｅ ｐａｃｋａｇｅ, ａｎｄ ｎｏ ｏｎｅ＇ｓ ｔｈｅ ｗｉｓｅｒ. Ｔａｃｏｓ ｆｏｒ ｄｉｎｎｅｒ, ｈａｍｂｕｒｇｅｒｓ ｆｏｒ ｌｕｎｃｈ.
Ａｌａｓ, ｍｙ ｓｅｘｕａｌ ａｄｖｅｎｔｕｒｅ ｅｎｄｅｄ ｗｈｅｎ Ｉ ｇｏｔ ａｎ ｉｎｆｅｃｔｉｏｎ. Ａｎｄ Ｉ ｌｅａｒｎｅｄ ｔｈａｔ ｍｏｓｔ ｍｅｎ ａｒｅｎ＇ｔ ａｌｌ ｔｈａｔ ｉｎｔｅｒｅｓｔｅｄ ｉｎ ｆｕｃｋｉｎｇ ｇｉｒｌｓ ｗｈｅｎ ｔｈｅｙ ａｒｅ ｍｅｎｓｔｒｕａｔｉｎｇ. Ｂｕｔ ｍｙ ｅｘｐｅｒｉｍｅｎｔ ｗａｓｎ＇ｔ ｆｏｒ ｎａｕｇｈｔ. Ｉ ｓｔｉｌｌ ｇｅｔ ａ ｌｉｔｔｌｅ ｈａｒｄ ｗｈｅｎ Ｉ ｄｒｉｖｅ ｂｙ ａ Ｂｕｒｇｅｒ Ｋｉｎｇ ａｎｄ ｓｍｅｌｌ ｔｈｅ ｂｅｅｆ ｃｏｏｋｉｎｇ.

I'm getting tired of these smurf, MMR, smurf, 5k, vhs, smurf and MMR prediction posts (oh, I almost forgot about smurf posts too). Seriously the case is simple: If you do not belong at your MMR, you will climb/drop. Ranting about it on forums, sharing conspiracy theories, trying to prove conspiracy theories ain't gonna magically place you in the bracket "where you really belong".

People can flame me for this comment for being off topic as I didn't even read OP's post.

guys ive been asking one question for very long.

how come bots caliberate 4500. they get reported in every game where they play against humans (so low Beh score).
they do nothing. like literally nothing in game ive played against them ,when i play late night, a few times they just stand in the middle and right click if anyone comes close to them. They end up with 4k+ always.

If you want ican dig up old games and give you link of players who bought those acc.

^-.-

You know no matter what people might think I'm happy with my comment. I'm just going to paste it in every vhs, MMR, smurf, MMR prediction, how to get 5k etc. thread.

Edit:Oh I forgot I'm also going to paste it in smurf threads, especially about the multi-smurfing ones.

Ive seen it, these bots get matches against other bots.

They can artificially create super high stats and just abandon a game

1 bot feeds fb, the rest abandon, then their scores are counted as like 50k+ gpm or what not

btw it happens on india server only. perhaps the reason why we all go to SEA to play

what are these behavior points??

Yes they play mostly in party of 5 so there is more chance youll get them if you que with friends.

I don't understand what benefit do I get if some bot gets 4.5k MMR?

You can load 10 bots into a lobby, balance the shuffle and then all on radiant make a party and leave the lobby, then queue on some low population server with strange lang settings

Its quite easy

YOU ABANDONDED THREE FUCKING GAMES IN 24 HOURS?

Pardon the caps, but those are not smurfs you are getting, but other highly toxic players as well.

3 abandons, that is 750 taken off your Behavior Score. Yikes.

Im actually not afraid of bots at all

The skill of the players in some x bracket wont change if players from lower brackets enter it with bots

Example if 1-2ks buy so many smurfs, the 4ks will stomp them and increase their mmr

The 4ks that lost like 10 games in a row because acc buyers in their team will now play the next 10 games against lower and worse 4ks which will bring their mmr back to their orginal value

So in the end what will happen is 1-3ks will populate 4k and the 4ks move to 5k, and 5ks to 6k and so forth

And you cant calibrate over 4999 so that creates a blockade for new smurf bot accs

And 4k will lose value

But the skill of the old 4ks wont change, but theyll only gain overall extra mmr

So im fine with bots

Tell us what your behaviour score was on new account already, after first game and before.

I saw one post that seens to lead that it isnt a IP system, since many regions (pinoys) the IP changes all the time, and the smurfers are still put in the "Smurf Bracket", one post a guy said that he uninstalled steam on his machine them after some time made a smurf and logged on a new steam install, he was playing agaisnt very new people, they werent smurfs at all.

Its maybe something like a steam install key.

its not about skill or calibration. It ruins the game completely. If you abandon there is a chance of getting lp. Tbh its better to caliberate at skill level where people rage the least. i guess 2k-3k will be a good bracket

Why bother doing all this, wasting your time whereas you could be using it to get better? As cookie rightly said, if you're in a bracket where you don't belong, you will climb.

I'm still to get my beh. score on my smurf, because I just finished my first game, and it was in high-skill.

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2829335846

I guess the next one is probably VHS, but I'll keep you updated.

@ others

It's not about that. I'm not saying system is holding me down to get 5k or whatever. And I don't coninsider this a waste of time. I just do with my time what I like and that's it.

I just do with my time what I like and that's it.

Yes I am sorry about that. It's this community, you know. Turns people bad/j

P.S. "/j" means I was joking.

All good.

I think we just made history sir.

No. It doesn't.

1 abandon is roughly -1000 behaviour score

heeeyyyyy u can feed 200 games in a row and be in normal skill @ 1 mmr or some shit and then u play ur first 10 ranked games and shitstomp kids, so it gives u higher mmr with every game and at the end u end up close to the max mmr cap. ez smurfing.

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2829456103

I took me 1 game to get vhs, lul

Yes. Not directly but I have a feeling hardware IDs also play a role.

Played third game and I'm getting into games with 4.5/5k people.

I guess Volvo gave me pretty high starting unranked.