General DiscussionDespite Skill's name "Great Cleave" its second worst of all cleave me...

Gud2Know

sven needs a rework anyway

Post the damage %
Isn't sven's the highest?

well I dont post the damage since its a pain to inform Cleave talent
but w/e here

1. Tidebringer [Kunkka] 100% Cleave damage (150% with talent)

2. Doom 100% Cleave damage

3/4. Great Cleave [Sven] 66% Cleave damage

3/4. Empower [Magnus] 50% Cleave damage [70% with talent]

5. Battle Fury [Item] 40% Cleave damage

6. Alchemist 30% Cleave damage

7. PA 20% Cleave damage

abaddon has an ulti that just lets him not die for 5 seconds and recover some hp
wraith kind has actual reincarnation

how is this fair???? buff abas ulti

But with borrow time u can turn on blademail and heal urself while doing the same amount of damage back. U can't really do that when u died as wraith king. Also, when wraith king died its very easy for the enemy team to just time a chain stun when he came back but with abaddon u can just run away while ult is active. They are 2 different abillity don't compare them like this.

abaddon has an ulti that just lets him not die for 5 seconds and recover some hp
wraith kind has actual reincarnation

how is this fair???? buff abas ulti

Nice argument there, Lets buff BH Shadow Walk to infinite duration since riki have its.

idk if ppl r really dumb or jst acting to be one

Sven has lower cleave range but higher dmg
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Nice argument there, Lets buff BH Shadow Walk to infinite duration since riki have its.

agree, didnt think about that

now that i think about it, whys rhastas hex so much worse than lions hex at all levels? buff immediately!

well, this wasnt a problem when sven was the best carry in the game. it hardly matters (or not at all) when farming anyway, which is the main purpose of cleave.

WELL THAT'S WHY PEOPLE BUY BF ON SVEN YOU idI0T, FOR BETTER CLEAVE!! #WeSmart

Ya Bro why is pudge hook not same distance as Mirana arrow. Buff pudge. More arcanas!!

typical braindead player can’t even formulate the correct way to ask for unnecessary buffs

if i was a sven maniac and wanted to whine for buffs buffing cleave would be the last thing on my list

then again its the sven spammers head we're talking about

I mean i love sven but out of all his levels the problem is not his cleave or any of his other levels to be exact
1, some of Sven's talents needs to be changed like stun cd decrease on 25 u kidding? How about storm hammer teleports u to the target or sth?
2,his movement speed is just to underwhelming speed talent S&Y+ madness and he's still slow
3,although this hero is weak early his also weak at very end due to his underwhelming MS again he also needs lots of farm too

Stun reduction is honestly not that bad

I love sven,he can carry hardest in game.No escape,ulti behind trees blink stun multiple heroes cleave them with crit and team can finish them off.His cleave is good i agree any other buff would be nice.

Considering the other's cleave, this sven cleave was reallu underwhelming my brother. How people didnt see that till now?

Just take a lot, example ranged cleave (medusa split shot, gyro, drow aghanim) really outpowering sven because their cleave was ranged and both deals 80%damage (medusa) and 100% (gyro drow)..and sven was melee n only 65%

cleave damages regardless of armor value with means pure unless their ghosted

He's not talking about how weak Sven is or how underwhelming Greater Cleave is. It's that a spell named "Greater Cleave" covers less area than fucking Battle Fury. How would it feel if Mana Break burned less mana than Diffusal? Or Mana Shield had less magic resistance than hood? Or if phantasm illusions did less damage than manta illusions? Or if shadow walk lasted for less and had more cooldown than Shadow Blade?

I can get behind Tidebringer, cause it's different.But agree with the rest.

Also you need to work on your reading comprehension.

ditto

buff its atleast the same as BattleFury or better ffs

well its almost just a rant thread.
its bug me when Great Cleave give less Aoe than Battlefury

If anything i want to buff sven is tweak his kits.
Give Great cleave active component or something like benefit from GS
Or something thats will make him more interesting to play will be great
For example

OffTP. @druex even its just a short encounter,you sure got a nice personality there. I hope you have a good life

Why are there like 4 assassins in the game, but the hero that gets assassinate is a dwarf who hunts mountain birds?

So what if the aoe is the smallest, it has the largest dmg of any cleave that's why it's called that
The fuck?

except it's the best early mid game cleave

why is undying called undying when there are heros that actually come back drom the dead but undying cant do it?