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General Discussion1k games are harder than 3k.

1k games are harder than 3k. in General Discussion
SEA ranked #1 Feeder KEK

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    Calin

      https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4121044535

      check this @parmaviolets no one is talking shit if you deserve that mmr and couldnt climb out of it then you deserve it lmao. if you really want to get good at the game then stop flaming and focus. I mean if you would be 3k skill you can easily climb out of the trench.

      A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘

        @Parmaviolets

        What new u have learned from this thread to improve anything?
        Can you even improve tard?

        dead

          You can 1v9 1k games if you aren't a retard

          MuLLi

            I watched Parmaviolets replay and found out I have muted him earlier so maybe team mates of him suck :D

            Akai赤井`(mode-fp mid)

              @ Odium

              Bro, no reason to flame her. She's really nice person, just a bit out of syc when it comes to Dota.

              SayingPleaseHelps

                To be honest, everyone who starts an "unfair calibration" thread in 2018, when the matter has been resolved multiple times (for different games as well) deserves to get flamed. That being said, cheap lazy flame like "Tard" and misspelled "hwore" (based on an unverified gender assumption) are more telling about your capacity to learn language, than OP's capacity to learn DOTA.

                Mode : TOPSON

                  Admit it your solo skill is suck

                  She`s Not here Right now

                    Be real honest with you. games are very easy below the ancient 3 average. you can play half asleep. you just commit your time(if you have) for practice for base mechanics especially CS, if you have like 100 cs by minute 30 might as well delete Dota. you will likely have like 80% winrate aldy. Be real strong that they cannot pressure you, find solo kills n take objectives. ur good to go.

                    2k games you will occasionally find smurfs who destroy your teammates' lane. that's why its 80% not 100%. u can get 95% wr if ur like rank 200 or sm shit smurfing in 3k bracket

                    MuLLi

                      Why solo is so much harder than party for almost everyone? In my friend list 85/100 have higher party than solo

                      SayingPleaseHelps

                        Why do people with no grip on reality keep posting their anecdotal examples and present them as universal truth? @MulliPullervo, you yourself say it's 15% of people for whom your own example goes in reverse, that not insignificant, yet in your mind it amounts to "almost everyone".

                        It's extremely simple - if you play in a party that utilises advantages of party communication and group synergy better that the average opposing party, solo is harder for you, if not - party is harder for you. How dense do you have to be to fail to understand this most basic thing? I'm struggling to figure out how this density compares with OP's.

                        MuLLi

                          U really suck in math? 15 compared to 85 is pretty high? If someone gain mmr someone have to lose it so it should go 50/50!

                          Pls commit some data about your friends is their party and solo same way unbalanced. This party mmr higher than solo is the topic of the thread

                          eXcel

                            ^ the issue with your argument is that it discounts the many many high level players who tank their party mmr intentionally to be able to play with bad friends.

                            My housemate is 6k solo, 1.6k party.

                            PRAISE THE SUN!

                              You fuckin donkey!
                              You belong in 1k.

                              SayingPleaseHelps

                                Do you have any idea about statistics? What is the standard that would recognize 15% as insignificant? (here is a clue - it's a shitty one)

                                Here are some potential reasons your friends may have party mmr higher than solo mmr outside of solo play being harder: Your freinds play in well established parties that are good at communication and therefore gain higher than average advantage due to playing as party; Your friends prefer to play in large parties with higher MMR players and give said players more impactful roles to maximize chances of winning; Your friends abused party challenge tokens to climb party ladder fast; Your friends are easily excitable and are incapable of not tilting in solo games, while having healthy communications in party games. These are just from the top of my head, I did not do any research on the matter, which would undoubtedly reveal even more potential factors.

                                Have you isolated or rebutted any of these factors before making the moronic general rule assumption that solo ranked is harder for almost everyone? NO, YOU DIDN'T. Which puts your statement on the same level of ignorant blabbering as the OP's OP.

                                Apparently you also suffer from reading disability. Me saying that, and I quote

                                it's 15% of people for whom your own example goes in reverse, that not insignificant
                                and your clueless semblance of brain function somehow translates it to, and I quote
                                U really suck in math? 15 compared to 85 is pretty high
                                furthermore you have this retarded statement to make for God knows what reason
                                If someone gain mmr someone have to lose it so it should go 50/50
                                which is easily proven false by the fact that abandoners lose MMR when their team wins, a fact that is so obvious it should take 10 seconds tops to notice it when you make unsubstantiated claims, which only serves as clear proof that you are, as a matter of fact, incapable of coherent thought.

                                I never play party ranked, because party MMR is pointless so when I party with friends I prefer less obnoxious normal play. But even if I did and had 100% of my friends (including myself) have their MMR ratios skewed one way or the other I would not be dumb enough to extrapolate my personal experience onto the rest of the DOTA world without strong supporting evidence, which neither I, nor you have access to, you weak-willed, emotion-driven, blabbering ignoramus.

                                Congrats on outmarking the OP, mark.

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                                SayingPleaseHelps

                                  @Rin Tin Tin

                                  You fuckin donkey!

                                  What are you saying mate? His profile clearly shows that he is a bull, or, more likely, a cow.

                                  MuLLi

                                    WOW really toxic people :D

                                    As I said in my friend list and I wanted to start conversation about this so I asked u to check it out as anyone could do it in their friend list. I never said it is universal rule! I said in my friend list and yes tokens and abondons might be the reason.

                                    Just WOW "so angry"

                                    edit. Im sorry if my comment about math offended u. It was not nice

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                                    MuLLi

                                      We really have to do something to these angry/toxic post in future to maintain dotabuff forum alive.

                                      Pls people in future post try to behave

                                      SayingPleaseHelps

                                        @MulliPullervo And I fucking quote

                                        Why solo is so much harder than party for almost everyone?

                                        Nobody cares about your friends list Party/Solo MMR discrepancy, or my friends list Party/Solo MMR discrepancy or anyones friends list Party/Solo MMR discrepancy. Or at least no one should, because party MMR is meaningless as a matchmaking tool, that is to say, as a skill approximation tool. Too many things can go into party MMR to be accurately accounted for by such a one-dimentional metric.

                                        As I said in my friend list and I wanted to start conversation about this so I asked u to check it out as anyone could do it in their friend list

                                        And that is exactly what I said about you being a weak-willed, emotion-driven, blabbering ignoramus. You wanted to discuss an idea (emotion-driven), you so you failed to resist the urge (weak-willed) and think about it for a bit, recognizing its obvious flaws (ignoramus) and just posted it here to waste the time of all the serious people discussing the crucial topic of whether 1k is harder than 3k on some obviously anecdotal nonsense, and even failed to formulate it in a clear fashion (blabbering).

                                        I'll be honest, I just chose 4 random words that are used to characterise doofuses, not in my wildest dreams did I expect solid proof from you on all the 4 in your very next reply. This world is truly a God's miracle.

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                                        SayingPleaseHelps

                                          @MulliPullervo

                                          Im sorry if my comment about math offended u. It was not nice

                                          Don't be sorry, you can not offend me. I refuse to recognize you as an entity that is worthy of offending me. Am I offended when a dog barks at me for no reason? Am I offended when a cats takes a piss in my boot? Am I offended when a call centre staffer reads all the obvious stuff from the algorithm they are compelled to follow? No.

                                          So am I offended when some dark blots of the human mental capacity say naughy words in my direction? Well, actually I am, but only on the behalf of other serious people who undoubtedly came to this thread in search of a methodologically viable academic examination of a pervasive problem of 3k people failing to climb out of 1k and instead are forced to waste their time on your idiotic anecdotes./s

                                          Marshall may have Mathered

                                            dont worry my dude my uncle is friends with the mods and they said they dont care

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                                            MuLLi

                                              #Hostility

                                              SayingPleaseHelps

                                                So I refer to God after a post about methodological merits of your argument, you don't get it, okay that's kinda obtuse, but then even "/s" is not clear enough for you? Maybe your english is just too bad to participate in such discussions on equal footing.

                                                Repeat after me: "Criticisim is not hostility". Even if it is presented in a kinda dickish way to reflect the quality of the initial statement.

                                                azmarco

                                                  Topic locked soon

                                                  SayingPleaseHelps

                                                    @az_malik Is that a piece of commentary about the original topic or smth?

                                                    Chiwa

                                                      Shut up

                                                      Chiwa

                                                        Wake up sheeple

                                                        Suck my tiny curry dick

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                                                          SayingPleaseHelps

                                                            OK, I feel like I contributed to this derailing a bit, so I would like to make amends by asking OP if they can say they learned something from their stint with 3k account or do they still think they genuinely are a 3k player cursed with hands and motor skills of a 1k nub?

                                                            '96 Neve Campbell

                                                              Playing with a 3k account was fine. I dont stand out in my lobbies. I sometimes stomp and I sometimes lose. I dont think 3k is beyond me at all.

                                                              SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                Can you link some more of your matches then, because the 4 that I saw (that you linked here before) you were absolutely lost and did not perform up to par in a single one.

                                                                KITSCH

                                                                  @permaviolets If you are really 3k, you should be able to climb out of 1k solo mmr even with 50% winrate. It just takes time. If you cant, it either mean you are not able to solo hard carry your team 1v9 or you are making bad decisions in winning the game. In 1k up to 2k mmr, farming and getting fat wins the game. Exploit weaknesses you see and you should be able to close the game. I actually boosted my smurfs from 1k to 3k just by spamming mid tinker and safe lane carry. :)

                                                                  SEA ranked #1 Feeder KEK

                                                                    Guys....op is a troll. Not grill.. just some fat ugly dude sitting behind pretending to be grill trolling u guys. Bet this thread went so far cos everyone think its a real grill and dying to get its attention.

                                                                    '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                      Btw guys I am climbing in solo its just a boring long process. Ive gained enough 200 since I made this post but I am still losing games in a manner similar to how i outlined in the OP

                                                                      A

                                                                        i think you need to play one hero to climb solo...

                                                                        i saw that you play a lot of heroes it remind me too when im still 1k

                                                                        then i try to spam certain hero and it works...

                                                                        so my point is try analyzing the different about 1k and 3k

                                                                        find what strategy 1k use to win the game, and what strategy 3k use to win the game

                                                                        and heroes that you can play(the hero must be fun to play too) that guarantee u win no matter what happen even if ur team drag you down

                                                                        just my 5 cent

                                                                        A

                                                                          for reference
                                                                          i use kunkka a lot to escape from 1k because i think this hero is fun to play and i can exploit 1k weakness about grouping too much

                                                                          and i use wk jungle from 2.2 to 2.4 because i think his reincarnation lv3 is sure win strategy

                                                                          and riki too because low mmr didnt have many disabler and riki is good at war when his diffu is ready

                                                                          KITSCH

                                                                            To me, it seems you lack the most important factor: Mental Fortitude. You might be 3k party mmr but in solo, you are NOT 2k calibre or 3k even. And you blame it on your team who is pulling you down. You give up easily and you thought there are some games arent winnable and it is so one sided. You tilt alot based on your original post. Dont tilt or flame, lead your team instead. Say things like “you gotta do these in order to win” or “get these items to win teamfights” or “Get objectives rather than passive farming” or “Smoke gank”, i rarely see 2ks or even low 3ks doing smoke ganks, what about 1k mmr? Lmao.

                                                                            SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                              @ Chee (Bye) God do you have any evidence for that? I mean there is no evidence OP is a grill, so I was using gender ambiguous terms for them here, and claiming to be a grill in an online environment should amount to nothing but "tits or GTFO" anyways, but shouldn't the court uphold innocence until proven guilty? Maybe OP is just a lesbian/bi who just happens to say

                                                                              Aha I have about 500 games with mine as well!
                                                                              as an answer to this
                                                                              Speaking of friends, a friend of mine has 0 solo games because He plays with his girlfriend and has near 500 matches. I'm so jealous -_-
                                                                              and refuses to use voice comms when contacted by well-meaning people trying to help just because they are shy.

                                                                              @parmaviolets This is not a thread about you climbing the MMRs, it is about being unable to climb fast in 1k despite being an inner 3k player. Can you provide an example of you stomping a 3k game or even doing average on an account that was provided to you for the purposes of testing the "inner 3k" thing? I'm asking because the 4 games that you posted all showed subpar performance and in no way validate the 3k claim.

                                                                              SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                                Who are you in that picture and what does it have to do with anything?

                                                                                Suck my tiny curry dick

                                                                                  Op is a girl who likes Indian penis. She blows me every night.

                                                                                  Filthy

                                                                                    This threads way to big for me to read it , but I did see peo Or talking about raising in party vs solo mmr not sure if this point was brought up yet . My party que is 2k and solo is 4K so if I party aye with someone I could inflate there party que and in this way party que can be inflated . This is just one thing I am just bringing it up Incase no 1 else has .

                                                                                    play for fun

                                                                                      i wont let you down thread

                                                                                      SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                                        Turns out

                                                                                        https://gyazo.com/e743cf5eab362ab5b940b5029ab845ec
                                                                                        is about Match ID 4126403792, where you are the toxic shit trying to double mid and void, in his incredible kindness, agrees to go safe. Do you want to know how I guessed that you were clinkz it that picture from the first try?

                                                                                        '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                          is about Match ID 4126403792, where you are the toxic shit trying to double mid and void, in his incredible kindness, agrees to go safe. Do you want to know how I guessed that you were clinkz it that picture from the first try?
                                                                                          I marked mid first. When you select your hero it automatically puts you to the back of the lane markings... 3 people wanted mid that game and we all rolled. I won the roll. The void tried to contest the roll so I forced his hand by picking my hero earlier than he did, and lets face it, why the fuck would you take a void mid anyway?

                                                                                          Also the context of that screenshot was to point out how laughable the people of the bracket are when it comes to drafting. They do not even know what lanes and roles there heros are! I literally had to spell out what lanes they should each be in before they laned correctly! If I wasnt there to complain they literally would have dumped to the sven and void top in an offlane with a pudge and cm in the safelane!

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                                                                                          play for fun

                                                                                            i like playing void mid sometimes, its situational but can work

                                                                                            '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                              i like playing void mid sometimes, its situational but can work
                                                                                              situational??? He has less than a 1% presence in the mid lane and for good reason.

                                                                                              THAT BITCH CAROLE BASKINS

                                                                                                @ham salad sandwhich
                                                                                                "You won the series because you had one 5k player in your team. It was Sven/Tidehunter"
                                                                                                Imonly seeing this until now, but literally I was the Tidehunter there and I had 800mmr at that time. But if you think Im 5k then thank you :)
                                                                                                The Sven was a friend of mine, hes about 2k now, 1.5k then. thanks again :)