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General DiscussionFor those core that join the Anti-BKB-BKB-Club

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-eLuNiuM-

    Hi title, if you think you're part of it, can you pls share your thought why you join that club when you play against a lot of disabler?

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    Feachairu

      i usually dun buy bkb if enemy has no stuns or disable for me and i'm snowballing alots like really alot like super duper alot tho since if even games or losing games bkb usually very important

      i like yoloing heroes too so somtime i dun nid bkb if i can just kill their stun retards and annoying fkers

      AnŦaiN

        Who needs bkb when u can get satanic .

        JDF8

          void pudge bm are meta and dogs want me to buy bkb against all physical teams

          the early u buy bkb u become strong right then but fall off faster and dont have 10s9s for rax fights

          a lot of the time skadi satanic etc are just a better defensive choice

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          foxZ

            the only reason i buy bkb is because i become a saiyajin or saint of athena

            -eLuNiuM-

              edit:

              ok sry for misunderstanding. edit first post

              Feachairu

                how much is alot disabler tho,usually if its just one lion or shaman you can explode em pretty easily sometimes

                if maybe vs with 5 heroes with stuns that you cant kill wel you go bkb lol

                JDF8

                  a lot of disabler is shaker plus any of lina lion ss sk tide

                  or like sk phx / shaker phx / carry who can stun u but u must 1v1

                  also like if u vs ck and he take gpm bkb will win u game as some hero

                  Feachairu

                    mos of the times i buy bkb also because enemy have magic dmg that can kill me actually,rather than the stuns(unless the stuns are really cancer) like example vs tinker/invoker tornado meteor combo(instakills you if no escape item as mk)/sky etc

                    Jack__Attack

                      My cousin join this club. He think dont need disable if disabler is dead before they can use spells.

                      -eLuNiuM-

                        @jack attack

                        ok this: https://imgur.com/a/2DEEhLi should be your cousin?

                        Filthy

                          I’m in the club for sure , I’ll buy a Linken but never a bkb fuck that item .

                          My honest reason is because usually it’s the unexpected disable out of no where that gets me killed which Linkens prevents or if I use it I often use too late or too early ( probs cuz I never really build it ). I’ve made a teammate quit a 80 minute game we were wining cuz I didn’t build a bkb lol .

                          Filthy

                            Tbh though I actively am prefer carries that are less reliant on bkb . Also I either try to initiate ie a void or counter initiate ie after enemy team blows spells on my team I go wreck the back line or if juggernaut Omni slash into them and rely on my blade fury to spin out if fight went south after Omni slash .

                            Mad Scientist

                              When they have 2 bkb piercing spell i don't buy it, instead i opt for satanic or maybe linken if i playing am

                              Filthy

                                Well my most played carry’s are jugg am , spec and void . All excetp spec can build linkens instead of bkb . Jugg gets linken popped from fog you spin / run/ tp away . Am linkens popped you blink away . Void same thing but with time walk . Spec is either slashing down the back lines or tanking thespells anyways

                                Filthy

                                  I fear I will be kicked from the club . I have built 3 bkbs since posting . Forgive me

                                  Glimmer of Dawn

                                    Most top games and pro games basically have all cores getting bkb around the 11k gold mark. I imagine a lot of core players could gain hundreds of mmr simply by following this rule of thumb, or just buying bkb one item earlier and switching their item build around.

                                    Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                      The thing is getting bkb too early can result in a 5 sec bkb when you needed the 10 seconds one, hence, losing the fight/game.
                                      Getting bkb too late can result in losing the fight/game just on one unlucky CC.

                                      People being arguing:
                                      - 'YES BUT I CAN BB AND 5SEC BKB HAS LOW CD SO I CAN USE IT AGAIN LOL IM PRO'
                                      - 'YES BUT I CAN BB AND THEIR BIG SPELLS ARE ON CD SO I CAN GO IN LOL IM PRO'

                                      The best answer to when to build it is, imho, objective oriented thinking:
                                      - 'Can BKB guarantee us good chances to secure next rosh ?'
                                      - 'Can BKB guarantee me to take this t3 + racks with my sweet MK ulti ?'
                                      - 'Can BKB guarantee me to fully enjoy my chrono cause this voker positions like a living god ?'
                                      - [...]

                                      Whatever the pick, the real question is not 'should I get BKB ?' but 'when should I get BKB ?'.
                                      Clinkz's spells go through bkb but this nullifier + bloodthorn or hex can really destroy your fight (assuming you are clever enough to use BKB preventively). And no, linkens is not enough at this stage of the game where your ennemies will pop it to then disable you.

                                      NB: BKB + Refresh + BoT + Buyback very very late game rulz.

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                                      Glimmer of Dawn

                                        The 5 second bkb is an aspect ofc. Playing with an around bkbs is a huge part of higher level player skill. But also the timing of your bkb (if you purchase one at all) is fundamentally a meta influenced call.

                                        These days dota is very magic nuke and disable heavy. At the highest levels the team with 3 bkb core timings will run at the enemy team and nullify all of their magic nuke and disable potential, win fights, take objectives, and snowball the game from there.

                                        Getting a 5s bkb early is far less impactful than snowballing the game through bkb timings. The key point is to get the bkbs showing up at the same time, because if you’re getting bkb and no one is, you pop bkb and run at them, then your whole team gets songed or ravaged and you can’t 1v5 them.

                                        The reason that high level dota has everyone trying to hit that team bkb timing is aggressive high tempo meta pushing both sides to get earlier and earlier bkbs.

                                        Not to mention there are other options for the ultra lategame to bkb- hex aeon disk and even refreshing 5s bkb can shore up the ultralategame