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General DiscussionBetter stay alive or feed with team?

Better stay alive or feed with team? in General Discussion
MuLLi

    When "team fight" occurs is it better to go feed your self when it is lost to or to be alive?

    If u go feed u are safe from reports for not being in fight.

    If u go feed u might lose the game.

    Which one is more important in current meta dota reports or try hard?

    MuLLi

      I have seen feeding is favored a lot or maybe under top 100 players are just so dumb that they do feed without purpose =D

      kowareta

        when u cant solve a math problem, u just move on. u dont waste ur whole life because u cant understand that subject.
        when u are crusader after years playing this game probably u should just play for fun and dont getting this game serious.

        MuLLi

          ^How this question is about PRO DOTA? This is about having good games as casual dota without low prio

          MuLLi

            @Kowareta seems like u are frustrated being anshit after all these years of dota.

            Maybe u need to admit that u suck hard when u get cock. When u won't get u desire it hard

            MuLLi

              I have played moba just under 3 years so being crusader is pretty good compared to many of these guys under Immortal after 10+ years =D

              X Æ A-12

                Always minimize the damage done. If your teammates are dead, it's pointless to go and die with them. Tp to another lane or just try to get out. I don't think feeding is favored in any situation. Unless you kill someone early game and have very low hp, then you feed Roshan or die under the enemy tower to respawn faster and go back to lane.

                Also, don't worry about the reports. You won't / shouldn't be penalized for being smart about a situation :)

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                kowareta

                  yeah crusader is very good rank, i just wonder why i start from archon when i made this account as a new player with 1-2 month playing dota 2.
                  yeah im so bad mulli, im so frustrated, hope these things help ur life, and u feel good about ur self now. every body below immortal top 100 is trash like crusaders.

                  The Names Naruto
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                    The Names Naruto

                      Stay alive and not feed.
                      If your team reports for you, commend all 5 of the enemy team and they will commend back, it will balance out the reports.

                      MuLLi

                        ^that seems good tip TY but do

                        Really commends counter reports 1 by 1?

                        Cheap Laugh Guy

                          Cores should always stay alive. Supports can die for their cores' survival.

                          MuLLi

                            If fight break up and u are totally different side of map and playing sup TP near of the fight means U will be there after your core hero is dead. So U will get report for not being at there and rest of team anyway run there in line to feed.

                            In the end there is 4 dead from your team 0 from enemy and all ping on u because u are alive/not there but if u would TP to there knowing u will die u save reports and end up 5 dead 0-1 enemy dead

                            Aimstrong

                              feeding can be a viable strategy to win games, you just need to know when to stop

                              MuLLi

                                Its not about winning one game but keeping BH-score high and getting better games and win more in long run.

                                Just curious if people admit doing this in purpose

                                glhf

                                  Goddamn everyone's english here is really bad.

                                  And one more thing:

                                  Commends don't cancel shit out. THere's only one metric that affects behavior score and it is report. Oops, sorry, had an autist moment. I also feel diarrhea coming out my hole, there are two metrics that behavior score, and the second is abandon.

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                                  Feachairu

                                    if you're playin a core staying alive is better

                                    rofl

                                      learn how to force enemies to come to you. don't always respond to their retarded ideas. force them to come to you, and make them play your game. don't play theirs.

                                      Tu tayta

                                        Stay alive. To avoid reports, stay close to your feeding teammate to throw a spell so they can't say you didn't fight, then continue farming.

                                        Filthy

                                          It also depends if you can snipe some kills before during also . Like your team will be happier with you if you suicide in and kill 2 of their hero’s before dying even though it maybe better for you to just stay alive team morale benefits . If playing hero like am , def not worth it even for sake of team morale . Also if I got a chance to take towers I will always go that route if team taking stupid fight .

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                                          Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                            This situation happens to me everytime i cheese (naga, lycan, etc...), thanks for this post.

                                            TLDR:
                                            The answer in one word is : Macro.

                                            The first thing to do for team cohesion is to state the scenario in which you were with them and its outcome, even bad-faithed people denying you did the right choice will know inside them you did the right thing if that's the case.
                                            Then, you have to remind them of what you brought to the team by not being with them.

                                            If the outcome would have been positive for your team or/and you didn't bring anything to the team, you are the one who is wrong if you weren't dead (hence couldnt join the fight at all).

                                            You can trade a 'feed' (i prefer to say death instead of feed) only if you bring something to your team but if you are a core, you should go for the least risky choice and really avoid dying.

                                            ----
                                            Long answer:
                                            Question 1: Why weren't you with team ?
                                            - You were dead => No issue
                                            - You were taking objectives/warding at the other side of the map ? Your team should be able to weight the likelyness to win the fight
                                            - They chased this damn ellusive euls+blink puck into their shrine (which is up) and fighted downhill without vision 4v5 holding each other's hand without ulti ups ? Their fault.
                                            => If you were bringing something to your team (wards/objectives) or they took a bad fight which would have been lost even with you, then you were doing the right thing.

                                            Question 2: What can I bring to my team assuming we lost the fight and I'm lonely ?
                                            - Annoy the ennemy team taking objectives (drop this macropyre/snakes on roshan or the t3 they are trying to push, cut lanes with summons/illus)
                                            - Trade those 2 low hp guys with pushing cap for your life (as a supp, preferably with buyback available)
                                            - Prepare the defense for the upcoming fight (example : putting a sentry + obs between t1 and t2)
                                            - Force TPs at the opposite of the objective they wanted
                                            - [...]

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                                            MuLLi

                                              ^Do people really care if u are right or wrong when reports is given?

                                              She`s Not here Right now

                                                Bro i don`t think ur team gonna report when u have 900 gpm avg as Naga/AM. or make flashy plays to show ur team that ur skill level is above them.

                                                She`s Not here Right now

                                                  also just mute everybody and play ur game. ideally, at ur bracket, nobody knows how to pressure

                                                  MuLLi

                                                    ^mute everyone would make my games easier a lot but it is sad if I need to do it in dota where we should really communicate to be effective

                                                    Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                                      ^Do people really care if u are right or wrong when reports is given?

                                                      Usually you end up carrying the game and question marking those bad-faithed people in post match if the decision making was right getting commended *3 at least :).

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