Idk but im pretty sure you wouldn't get bounty runes as an alch if someone else gets it first anyway(it would make sense that when playing against an alch mid you should deny him bounty runes but sometimes even your teammates don't get that alchemist gains so much from those runes 100x compared to them)
Alche's farm can't be stopped if you don't gank him all the time/have an early-game, aggressive lineup.
Get your facts straight: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2338852978 With an early armlet, soul ring and 2-3 bounties he can't die and be stopped after this point.
If you go early armlet why do people still build into radiance, manta, octarine build? Why not a right click build with like battlefury (gives farm potential of radiance), abyssal/daedulus, satanic?
early armlet just gives you a lot of survivability
battle fury is a farming item like radiance, but you won't deal as much damage in teamfights in the early/mid game with battle fury compared to just running at people with your radiance turned on.
and if you go radiance, manta and octarine as next items make a lot of sense as they all have synergy together.
Yes they do, I just never got why everyone goes radiance over battlefury. But I think the abyssal change hurt right clicker alch. It was like core for him, now you sacrifice a lot of dmg for that bash, dunno if it's worth it or if he needs the block.
in my bracket. i usually pick invoker to counter alche in mid lane. 3 level quas and acid is nothing !!! and invoker quas exort can denies creep easily for me :). and if he go rune you must warding it and ganking with cold snap + alacrity + sunstrike or cold snap + alacrity + turnado. ez mid. if he didnt mid???? ghost walk search jungle kill !!!!. ez
^ Maybe in the very early game, but once Alch has Armlet he easily survives them (given youre able to press R + armlet in before charge hits you, which really isnt hard).
Most players just overrate the dmg-potential of lvl 1-2 acid spray. I had a 5k player vs me in mid which just wouldnt contest me because there was a lvl 1 acid spray in his way, which literally deals close to 0 dmg.
idk, alch doesnt seem op hes just strong atm
LC Echo Sabre with Blademail all day everyday!
lol i stand corrected...its not ehome vs vg then. watched too many qualifiers yesterday apparently...
so what do you go after armlet and treads?
radiance manta blade mail lotus? or some killing shit like shadow blade/blink solar ac
Idk but im pretty sure you wouldn't get bounty runes as an alch if someone else gets it first anyway(it would make sense that when playing against an alch mid you should deny him bounty runes but sometimes even your teammates don't get that alchemist gains so much from those runes 100x compared to them)
I love how clueless noobs say nonsense and when asked to explain they cba
treads what
u go bots only when u build radi and if u dont get radi u shouldnt pick the hero
Alche's farm can't be stopped if you don't gank him all the time/have an early-game, aggressive lineup.
Get your facts straight: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2338852978 With an early armlet, soul ring and 2-3 bounties he can't die and be stopped after this point.
If you go early armlet why do people still build into radiance, manta, octarine build? Why not a right click build with like battlefury (gives farm potential of radiance), abyssal/daedulus, satanic?
early armlet just gives you a lot of survivability
battle fury is a farming item like radiance, but you won't deal as much damage in teamfights in the early/mid game with battle fury compared to just running at people with your radiance turned on.
and if you go radiance, manta and octarine as next items make a lot of sense as they all have synergy together.
Yes they do, I just never got why everyone goes radiance over battlefury. But I think the abyssal change hurt right clicker alch. It was like core for him, now you sacrifice a lot of dmg for that bash, dunno if it's worth it or if he needs the block.
because radiance has a synergy with octarine and your manta illusions???
like what kind of question is that even.
in my bracket. i usually pick invoker to counter alche in mid lane. 3 level quas and acid is nothing !!! and invoker quas exort can denies creep easily for me :). and if he go rune you must warding it and ganking with cold snap + alacrity + sunstrike or cold snap + alacrity + turnado. ez mid. if he didnt mid???? ghost walk search jungle kill !!!!. ez
^i'm pretty sure 3 levels of your quas won't save you from punches in the face while standing in acid, granted the alche player knows what he's doing.
QoP + Bara works very good vs alchemist.
^ Maybe in the very early game, but once Alch has Armlet he easily survives them (given youre able to press R + armlet in before charge hits you, which really isnt hard).
Most players just overrate the dmg-potential of lvl 1-2 acid spray. I had a 5k player vs me in mid which just wouldnt contest me because there was a lvl 1 acid spray in his way, which literally deals close to 0 dmg.
Then there are 3k mids who underestimate a lvl 4 acid and casually walks in thinking I wont hit him in the face for coming near lul