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Strakog

    Great article! I hate Tinker, I sure hope we don't start seeing him in every game.

    shmik3r

      Tinker lost his tempo and ultimate ability - defending dead zones on the map early/mid game which is actual space creation for his teammates. Tinker is one of the weakest midlaners, now it's much easier to break his tempo and dominate early game against.
      Vavle's probable idea of injecting this hero into pro-dota arena obviously not working.

      i should be coding

        Tinker gae

        Rakzor

          Stop trying to get Tinker nerfed you idiot. He barely has a 50% WR

          Rakzor

            With the loss of his March early if you have a bad laning phase you never get to play the game because you can’t farm at all. He will never be in a pro match because a simple orchid build shuts him down completely, along with a silencer, specter or storm spirit. The hero is only good in solo queue and even then it’s not that good

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            Stratus

              Tinker got nerfed imo, now silence destroys him even more than ever.

              Fathomorg

                I think something people are under looking is that tinker is being played as positions other than mid (which is suboptimal for the hero) as people experiment with the changes; this initially hit the hero's winrate pretty hard. With that said, the hero is still a mid. The point of giving him a free boots of travel is that you no longer have a farming hero that transitions into a tempo hero. This sort of playstyle is traditionally unintuitive, especially from a mid. The only other hero that sort of pulls this off is storm spirit; he often spends the first 10 to 12 minutes of the game farming an orchid before running around doing work. Tinker used to take significantly longer and the payoff often wasn't worth it compared to other heros' playstyles. Free bots is a steroid for core tinker, not an excuse to play the hero as a support. He still needs quite a few items to be effective in his role.

                MrSirene

                  Didn't read through the article, I'm just commenting the title.

                  WDYM "Secretly OP"? Every single pro player has been screaming that the new tinker is OP since the 7.30 patch came out. The initial winrate drop was caused by brainless tinker spammers that only know how to mash keys. All good tinker players have adapted and are now destroying with the new tinker. It's also easier to get into tinker, since you can start playing him as a support and switch to midlane after you get used to him.

                  Elephant

                    Everyone complaining that silence kills tinker more than ever, most tinkers I play with/against still buy boots, but buy guardian greaves instead of bots - able to purge silence quite easily between ults.

                    Nemesis 041

                      I'm sure giving Tinker a built-in Boots of Travel will lead Icefrog to give boots their own dedicated slot like with the TP Scrolls. Cause if every hero needs them (fight me all you want, all heroes need SOME form of boots, even brown ones), why must they take up a precious inventory slot?

                      Brad Bowyer

                        Biggest buff is that Tinker's laser is now aoe compared to single target? Did anyone miss that out?

                        Zawie

                          I was hoping this article would include the Guardian Greaves exploit, where mana boots doesn't give mana - but then guardian greaves not only refreshes, but provides free mana on each refresh. Essentially, an uncontested tinker has unlimited rockets with soul ring + guardian greaves

                          Leonfart

                            nowadays I see a lot of Tinker supports. W and Q puts a high pressure in the lane TBH. Still I don't think it's the most optimum support BTW but might be viable at good hands.

                            Low APM, Lower IQ

                              I dont think hes that great tbh. He still has insanely high mana costs for his skills and it makes it difficult to spam them in fights and he has to constantly tp back to base when a fight breaks out to refill his mana.

                              P9^

                                Situation dependent pos 4 or mid

                                This games actually so bad

                                  tinker so ass no cap on ma mama on a fat stack made me uninstall dota

                                  horatio13

                                    @Nemesis 041

                                    I'm sure giving Tinker a built-in Boots of Travel will lead Icefrog to give boots their own dedicated slot like with the TP Scrolls. Cause if every hero needs them (fight me all you want, all heroes need SOME form of boots, even brown ones), why must they take up a precious inventory slot?

                                    Some really good points here. Icefrog likes to cut down on redundancy a lot, when an item is always bought on a hero they will either change the hero so its no longer needed 100% of the time (invoker aghs scepter for example used to be like boots of travel on tinker until the hero was reworked in 7.23) or just build the item into the hero as is done here with tinker, or just make a new slot for the item, like Icefrog did for tp scrolls.

                                    However, making a separate slot for boots runs an additional risk, logically it makes sense, all heroes need to wear some sort of clothing, but why only boots? What about hats? Why not a separate hat slot for everyone as well? In addition to that we would have to contend with the dilemma about what to do with the heroes who do not have legs or have more than two. How are you going to justify giving Enigma or Io a separate slot for boots? It just doesn't make sense thematically.

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                                    Irreplaceable

                                      fuck tinker and ppl who play the hero