General DiscussionOutworld Devourer vs Storm Spirit vs Puck

Depends on game?

Storm Spirit because zip zip zipping around is so much fun :D

puck seems to be picked competitive more often than the other 2, why?
OD was really popular last year but not this year

puck needs less farm than the other 2

Puck has amazing lock down, best utility. Storm needs to snowball. I think od and storm are countered by popular mid picks now like blooseeker. I would never safe lane any of them.

>popular
>bloodseeker

edit: wtf he's really top 5 most played? god i love my mmr

OD.
Coolest, best, most badass hero. There is nothing more awesome than torturing your enemies before you devour them.
What can the other two do, jump a little around, be a little silly etc. While OD drops his ulti and then laughs his ass off.

Puck. Dodging people with Phase Shift and Blink Dagger is incredibly fun – he and Rubick are the majority of "top plays" vids. Unlike Storm's 0.3 cast time on Ball Lightning and OD's… Astral, Puck can blink and instant phase shift. Plus, Dream Coil is one of the teamfight ultis considering its low cooldown; I would argue it is better than Black Hole and Ravage for cd purposes.

Don't listen to Smaug, look at his profile.

od. pubs tend to go for a passive farming meta and od fits just well
it obviously depends on the game but i'd pick od over thsoe 2

Dude

You pick OD its almost an autowin, it depends of the enemy heroes though

but if you just want to have fun ( probably losing ) pick puck, he is really fun

Oh yeah, I see bloodseeker more than pudge now, every other game has one. I think he counters od and storm well with his silence.

Puck is less greedy, more survivable, better in teamfights for intiation, has an aoe silence, and is great in all lineups.

puck > od/ss

^In pubs nonono

Ty guys, i have decided it's OD

Just a question at mid lane.

Should i spam my 2nd skill at earlier game to use up all the charge in my bottle?
Because i don't think this guy will run out of mana soon you get those 3rd skill at lv 2 or 3 which means reducing the effectiveness of buying bottle

^ OD runs out of mana faster than you think. If you spend mana early, you will get less mana from level up.

eh woot, then how i use my mana to not waste the mana regen and bottle charges since i'm not planning to level my first skill until lv 8..

You dont really need bottle, use your second skill when the enemy tries to last hit for 100 % frustration on the enemy.

So while im mid, im not securing the rune while the opponent's mid keep raping my other lane?

I understand what you meant though
Since OD is not efficient bottle user when he already had his 3rd skill.

Bottle is good on OD if u're being harassed a lot. In most cases it's not necessary.

Depends on game

I don't like Bottle on OD because he doesn't need the mana from it, so he can get any other item for HP. I usually LOVE Mek on him because he has NO mana problems (except for one time where I literally didn't proc my aura until i had 0 mana) and his attack range forces him to be in the middle of fights, so he is always in a good spot to use it. The headdress regen is amazing for him when farming as well.

u dont need to control the runes with od, just stay in lane and get more xp then the enemy, u dominate him even when he gets nice runes :D

"So while im mid, im not securing the rune while the opponent's mid keep raping my other lane?"
Only you don't have to have supports guard your rune for you, its perfectly fine if they just grab it when you're playing OD.
You're playing the quiet game. OD can't push lane really at all for about 10 levels, so you can't really get the rune even if you do get the bottle.

I would go for puck

Can someone tell me when do you go soulring on Storm, I have seen pros do it dont know why

how to play od: buy bkb, press q and r
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0B94GrX5wI
http://dotabuff.com/matches/762252890

soul ring gives mana without increasing mana pool, and you can drop your int/mana items (or just tread switch) before you use it so that the 150 mana gives you a larger % of your total mana pool than if you hadn't dropped your items, resulting in more than 150 mana acquired from the soul ring active.

@deadshot
dont, the pros only do it because the lineups allow for it, and you will NEVER see a situation where soulring is better than other items in anything outside of a big tournament.

"because the lineups allow for it"
how

"you will NEVER see a situation where soulring is better than other items in anything outside of a big tournament"
so what would be better than soul ring but also in its price range
also why/how does a big tournament affect an item's viability.

sometimes storm is played in the safe lane, the soul ring might be an alternative to bottle crowing.

Okay, here's the full description of why it's gotten and why it shouldn't be in pubs.

Soul ring allows for SS to get a small burst of mana when he is just about to run out (it should not be used if he has full mana because it will increase the cost of bolt lightning). If storm doesn't get a bottle, he lacks both mana and HP regen, but getting soul ring means he can have a decent amount of extra mana at the cost of a lot of HP. Soul Ring is often picked up when freefarming because regen is not an issue, so it can be saved for when soul ring is used, or if there are healers on the team (treant comes to mind). The reason why you wont see this working in pubs is because pubs have a very different gamestyle that either forces early fights or barely forces fights at all, so a soul ring would either be suicide or useless.

At the same price range or cheaper, you can buy:

- Ring of Health
- Voidstone
- Ring of Basilius
- Sage's Mask + Robe of the Magi
- Null Talisman
- Staff of Wizardry

go with puck he's really ez. all you have to do is show up at level 6 and ult people. storm is probably the hardest there since he needs farm and ulti takes way too much mana early

is this still possible?
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So since OD isn't good as rune control and ganking early game
Can i safelane him? he wont need bottle in this case.

no

What i mean is in pubs no, i mean why would you safe lane a hero that its going to rape the enemy mid lane ? If you go for forcestaff first like i do while the enemy has a bottle and boots you will have boots and forcestaff so he is never going to kill you.

You can get midas or bottle i guess but i dont like any of those items on OD, i just get boots and forcestaff really early so i cant get ganked and shit

Sorry just asking because i usually solo queue, so wondering if there is alternative if someone picked viper for example.. or someone who insist of going mid

I've seen some OD's go to the safelane against solo offlaners. Granted, those were games where he was part of a stack.

Well you can deal with viper with OD i think but yeah i guess you can go to the safe lane

watafak, i lost twice as OD. First game i couldnt last hit, 2nd game i still couldnt manage to stay alive somehow..
When should i join teamfight as OD? i felt like i died so much when i try to join teamfight early game.
When should i start using my ulti?

Man i love midas, i get it even on ench, but i dont like it on OD, because when you get your force you CANT be ganked, simple as that, plus with an early forcestaff you can help your team a lot, with mek is the same thing but i dont like mek.

Anyway, usually this is what i do with OD, farm mid lane and denying farm from the enemy mid, maxing W and after W maxing E, get a point into your ulti at lvl 6, usually you only have a point into your Q at lvl 10 and that its when you should be fighting, you can fight before you have orb but only if your ulti is up.

There is a lot of builds for OD, my favorite one is forcestaff > treads > atos > whatever, but i know that the vyse bkb build is way better, but i like atos beucase i aint no pussy who gets bkb and the extra hp and slow from atos its a great help. Dont use astral just to get int in fights, keep it to safe a stunned team mate.

Do not tank damage let you team go infront for you, you have forcestaff and astral if they need help.

and i think your HD is too low in those games man

btw i am just a 3k scrub so there is a good chance that everything i said was wrong

Dude i get it at 5 mins T_T..
Its too tempting to not build it lol
I didnt really die earlier game, but later game i dont know when i should join teamfight..

Like that its the thing right, you probably died too much in early fights beucase you had a midas and treads, if they stun you or slow you you are dead, with force you can escape

Man mid game is when you should be fighting 24/7, its not like OD can flash farm so get your money killing heroes, i think its really easy to win a fight when you have items and levels with OD

Ic ic, so when i get my force staff i should join teamfight?
At what level usually? when i max'd my essence aura?

midas is good, od needs a lot of levels to become active. ususally you can go fight once you get your orb and a few items, but i'd rather get a bkb before fighting to be sure i can pull out the most damage i can.

idk how you couldn't last hit in the first game.. who did you face mid? lina i'm assuming. you should wreck her in terms of denies and last hits

Yep, but i wasnt used to with the projectile speed.
It was really a mess.

Well depends, if the enemy team is diving my team under the tower and i have ulti for example i tp to help, but dont try to " gank " with OD when you dont even have orb.

The best situation would be, get your force, get your Q ( probably at lvl 10 ) the reason why you get your orb so late is because you need to have E maxed, i mean you can even let your W at 2 lvls if you want and max E to get your Q earlier but i dont really like to do that.

In another words, pre orb if you have ulti up you can go help, after orb go help at all times and in my case i rush force and i never join a fight without it.

I have a problem when i pick OD as well. I deny the shit out of the enemy, usually having like 26 denies by 5 minutes, and then they get pissed off and start harassing me instead of last hitting. Eventually i have to leave the fucking lane and sometimes i die cuz i underestimate the asshole. Not to mention that when i want to build midas on him, every fucking enemy on the entire map decides to come mid and gank me. Like, i've had a safe lane void come gank me with chrono, go farm idiot.

Also, i once lost to an invoker mid. embarrassing i know, but i had no clue on what to do against forge spirits + cold snap. it took like 8 attacks to kill the forge spirits, so i couldnt just imprison him and then kill the spirits. not to mention he had 100% uptime on those bastards, so i couldnt outheal the damage. i farmed like 60 cs at 10 minutes, but i didnt win the lane and deny a lot, which i should have done vs him.

TLDR: wtf do u do against forge spirits and how to outheal idiots that prioritize harass over last hits.

Like allison is saying midas is good in theory but i guess it depends on the player, if i get midas first with od i will probably feed :P

Alex i dont get bottle with OD so i get 4 tangos and 1 salve ( if i ramdon even 8 tangos ) and force gives you some regen ( you can get the ring first ).

btw once i actually got harassed out of lane by a invoker too, the solution is to get one point into orb soon now because orb does one shitload of damage to spirits, plus now that coldsnap does no damage is even easier :P