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ricericerice

    Ok... this guy went two unique attack modifiers,,, so in this case, which one works and which one doesnt work?
    Is this acceptable build, if all he wanted was the stats of scotty and deso attack modifier?
    http://dotabuff.com/matches/762868594

    salt enjoyer

      The attack modifiers are unique and therefore don't stack, however depending on which on he was using the skadi provides a very large amount of durability whereas the desolator will provide the damage and minus armor (if set as main)

      Still I wouldn't have done this and would have gone for dominator which does stack with skadi...

      Dipshit

        Unless he changed his items later in the match he built the deso first, giving it priority over the skadi orb. It's technically not terrible if you need to get tanky against physical damage as it'll provide greater benefit than a heart will(after including armor's ehp boost). I'd say it wasn't the smartest pickup this game though since the enemy has a large amount of magical damage(even with a bkb on him). He would have been better off with a mid-tier health item and getting the daedalus up sooner.

        keisuke89

          If I'm not wrong the oldest unique attack modifier in your inventory takes priority.
          Eg. you bought desolator first and skadi later -> desolator takes priority
          But if you drop your desolator on the ground and pick it up again, the skadi becomes the oldest unique attack modifier in your inventory -> skadi takes priority next
          It's not like you can continually drop and pick up your deso/skadi to alternate the orb effects in battle so yeah ...

          It's probably okay if he activates the desolator attack modifier and use the skadi for stats, because without the -armor effect then the desolator is effectively just a damage item (which the gold could have been spent to complete his daedalus instead) whereas the skadi still gives you hp +stats.
          But if that guy activated the skadi attack modifier instead ... I think the whole team's gonna report him.

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          matrice

            Well, in dota2, the "attack modifier" is extremly badly made.

            Cause it doesn't show that it is infact divided in two part:

            Orb and buff placer

            You can have only one orb and one buff placer per attack.
            Mjolnir is both orb and buff placer when it proc -and nothing if doesn't proc-
            desolator is both orb and buff placer
            skady is only a buff palcer
            lifesteal is only orb
            diffsal is orb and buff placer
            orb of venom is only buff placer

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              Quick maffs

                So skadi stacks with diffusal in theory ?

                riwu

                  ^ never heard of it
                  the only UAM that stacks is skadi + lifesteal

                  Noé

                    Just tested in lobby, skadi doesn't stack with diffusal no matter the order in which you pick it up

                    matrice

                      I made a little mistake for diffu ^^, wrote too fast, while speaking to parents and on ts with friend xD (I corrected it now)

                      Btw, in dota2, picking order has no influence at all on stacking.

                      In addition most attack modifier of heroes are both buff placer and orb effect, in a fast recall, I only recall bone's fire arrow being only orb (thus stacking with skady).

                      As far as i remember, no hero have buff placer effect without the orb (too bad)

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                      kanye went to uni

                        Wait does that mean OD can use Skadi with his orb? His thing is just an orb and Skadi is just a buff right?

                        Edit: Oh.

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                        Miku Plays

                          Can i have MoM and diffusal? Lel

                          matrice

                            No od's is both orb and buff placer, however, skady is still a great item on him, mb not the most cost efficient though, but iceing bkbed heroes is still better than doing nothing on them, and od really benefit of every single stats skady give, so :)

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                            Noé

                              i think od's aghs upgrade could make damage universal. that should make aghs more viable

                              casual gamer

                                i think doom's aghs upgrade could have no cd, that should make aghs more viable

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                                Dire Wolf

                                  What Matrice is saying doesn't really make any sense because the only item in the game that is only orb is lifesteal and hero orbs specifically state if they stack, like viper's is a unique while ursa's fury swipes no longer is. Only exception I can think of is clinkz orb will stack with skadi if auto cast.

                                  So maybe what Matrice is writing is factually correct but in practice basically only lifesteal stacks with anything, nothing stacks with hero uniques except for clinkz, and everything stacks with stuff that procs just not on the actual attack that procs it but on every other attack.

                                  beyond

                                    ^ well, certain things can as parts of the ivnentory take priority if im correct. Certain things like diffusal on your illlusions but skadi on your main work. Not sure about 'buff placers' and such

                                    Born

                                      inventory placement was working back in d1, not sure about d2 but I'd guess not.

                                      zhibelongto

                                        Nah, it doesn't work. Sadly, that was great thing in d1

                                        NoDE.Zafoche

                                          wow! too much info

                                          NoDE.Zafoche

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                                            Hopeless

                                              HoN allowed players to switch modifiers with a cycle button...