from what ik, very few of the pro players got there cz of being talented; it's mostly about working hard and being lucky when finding a team (this 2nd one matters more than it seems: most players cant show all their potential unless they get to play with actually decent teammates and have a good cap).
The pros probably have 10k+ hours factoring in Dota 1/HoN.
I genuinely believe they just spent a shit ton of time playing and that's it.
I think a lot of the great players from thr good is spatial awareness and being able to predict what the other players are thinking/going to do. This stuff you for the most part cannot teach.
There are no pro players who are not extremely talented. There are also lots of talented people who don't work hard enough to be professional. Both are required.
Talent is enough to beat pubs, but in a pro game everyone is extremely talented. One pro player never has more than a tiny advantage over another in skill. You can see this clearly in the results from TI5. A team that did not get an invite, did not even win the qualifier was the 2nd place team overall at the end. That is because the difference between the best player in the world and 100th best player is very small. The difference between the top teams is small. Anyone could beat anyone and you can't be sure who will perform the best today.
There are still pub players now who have never been on a pro team who are as talented as the ones that won TI5. With hard work and the right team, the right leadership, the right training... some luck - pubstars could win TI6. It's not the most likely outcome, but I would hardly be shocked if a team that does not exist yet wins TI6.
I shall make a team of my fellow 0.7k mmr scrubs and win TI6 outta nowhere....HERE I COME TI6
yeah I agree with relentless that they're talented but the answer to being talented is working hard. i know more than most of the current dota 2 pros are former HoN or Dota 1 players, and we're just now seeing a rise of talent that isn't from that former. So both are correct.
It's defnitely possible to be a pubstomper who makes it, w33haa, but really it comes down to making connections I feel. A counter example is that Fn guy, I see him literally own every pub game he's in, but he was just the sub for a vega squadron team. Like that's a foot in the door for sure but maybe he's not making the connections that w33 has.
If I had the drive to go pro the route would be form a team for party client and then try a fpl.
It's no different to anything else in life. A bit of raw talent but the majority of it is having the right attitude and willing to work hard to improve.
Generally considered that it takes 10,000 hours to become super proficient at a complicated task like playing the piano or dota...
@relentless, the strat/game flow of cdec was good or actually very good considering the meta...
...versus unprepared opponent
But no matter the meta (as long as it's not just about pushing tower), if you hold the agression, it's always the defensor who'll win, and eg is the sole team who actually did that. (hi gyrocopter camping all game long middle, with 0 creep but ancient...)
I mean is lebron james the best cus he is talented or cus he practices thousands of hours and has been in the league 10 years now? Takes both, which is not to say you can be a pro just by working hard, not likely, but it is to say working hard is required.
that's a bad argument
the part you're msising is the experience. Include in korea, italy, france, canada, d-league, chinese etc etc pro bball. Those guys don't have the athleticism to be lebron but they have XP and dedication. the Experience is just as important as hard work. Except the difference with gaming and balling is your body wears down at a certain point so you have to start young to get to that point. People burn out of gaming yes, but it's based on the time in gaming not age.
Work hard, play alot and get better at a game and maybe you're lucky you'll get noticed by pro players.
i hate with those talent talk
it's not talent it's hard work
hard work > talent
All the pros players are talented..... And you have to work hard to be that good
And the best of the pros are the ones who work hard to get even the smallest of advantages....... Let's use Aui as an example here (not going to saying much about te drama)
But in the finals you see him pinging a spot for universe to put a ward down that blocks the pull camp but the normal deward point that catches all the "known" places to block that camp
As I recall that ward didn't get dewarded which ultimately lead to universe getting more gold and XP then he otherwise would have. Why? Because Aui put in the extra work to learn all the ward spots (I believe he said he knows them all in an interview but I don't recall where)
Putting in extra work to jungle better (Aui again said "just start up a bit game and see how fast you can jungle") or to block better..... Or to come up with a new strat to put you ahead (techies+tusk dual lane from secret in esl or puppey buying S4 a bottle) or even just to learn to communicate more effectively with your team
All of these things take extra work to do but their what seperates a top tier player from all the rest imo
There are many pub players who are as good as a professional player but simply lack the connections to be pro. So i'd say it's a factor of skill and luck.
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Are they professional because they are talented as opposed to acquired skill? Or does hardwork actually matter when you aim to swing for the fences?