because the trending build now is to get early desolator, so if you need a disable for slippery heroes/solo kill, you will be getting it like after 20-25+ min (seldom get it straight after tho, its more common after bkb and maybe daed), and by then orchird's usefulness is diminished (cos of bkb, mantas, ghost eul whatever). so they choose hex
if you dont go the deso route then early orchird is better than early hex
Assuming you can get "early" hex.. I love when playing a pos 5 support and someone asks me to get hex.. Sure, wait till I pop in to the secret shop to get a 5k loan from the shopkeeper..
@triplesteal i can understand if u get it as a 2nd disable but people get it as a first disable item when it is not better suited for clinkz
early orchird > early hex
late hex> late orchird
trending build is deso
means your hex/orchird is going to be late
so u go hex
@vohi8 hex disable is 3.5 secs and slows target to 140 movement but orchid disable is 5 secs and amplifies dmg by 30%.
hex gives 35int 10 str and 10 agi while orchid gives 30 dmg 30 atk speed and 25 int.
which is better? ofcouse i dont need 35 int but 30 dmg and 30 atk is better than 10 str and 10 agi right?
taking into account u get Desolator first
yea i cant be bothered to refute that statement when its completely irrelevant
tell me which of the 4 points you do not understand and i will explain it to you
i already explained in my 1st reply to you, when you get deso first your 2nd item (assuming you intend to go orchird) your orchird will be slower, and people will have more items to counter your orchird. orchird is HEAVILY countered by items and thus scales poorly into the late game as compared to hex. the stats have 0 relevance at that point in time, when you have plenty of dmg and attack speed from ur stats and items already (it matters if you get orchird as a first item tho)
@vohi8 how is it irrelevent? it compares the to items and shows orchid is better for clinkz
Are you retarded? He explained it very clearly but you are trying hard to not understand.
lol i get it i totally forgot that u can atk when silenced i guess i am retarded :(
thats not the point
when you are hitting for 300+ per hit or whatever, you are not concerned with whatever stats orchird give you. you are concerned with how useful your active is.
They can use items when they are silenced but not when they are hexed, and a shit ton of items like glimmer force manta ghost eul bkb makes ur late orchird useless
If the target hero in enemy team is not a disabler like lion/shaman/bane or escape heroes like qop/am then go for damage output items like medal/desol.
Otherwise go for orchid/hex.
Purge blades also good vs ghost & dust
I think orchid is situational. Great if you can get it early against a team with a lot of escape.
I'd say definitely get it against:
Weaver, AM, Void, QoP, Puck.
Just buy soul ring..and desolator..whenever u see yr mate ganking take their tower with full speed..
orchid is nice as long as 1)you send an aggro trilane to their safelane 2)they have blinkers etc 3)you can farm it in 12 minutes in you safelane
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i am new to dota and am trying out new heros. recently i have taken a liking to clinkz and followed the basic build for it. when i look at the matches of high mmr players they use scythe instead of orchid. can anyone tell me why scythe is better coz orchid gives everything clinkz need and also amplifies dmg.