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Spectre builds in General Discussion
OraCLesofFire

    So with the generally early focused and tank heavy meta (although not necessarily in pubs) I find that the old radiance first spectre builds are pretty much useless if you actually want to contribute. I'm not saying it's a bad item, I'm just saying it doesn't have as big of an effect as it did before, and it delays your damage timings by quite a bit. I still get it if I get rich early though, because it can be a game breaker if you can get it fast

    In my opinion, I've found that stat item + vanguard + manta is a very good build to go and I can usually get it by 20 min in a game that isn't absolute crap. It allows you to deal a massive amount of damage to the supports at the back of the fight, plus manta is a very safe item choice in itself providing a pseudo-purge and movement speed from the yasha. (that being said, I do change my build when the game needs it)

    That being said. Beyond that point I have a lot of questions as to what I should build.

    - Diffusal. Another amazing damage output item, but it provides almost no survivability. I usually get it first when I am coming out of fights without much damage

    - Butterfly. Damage, movement speed/ attack speed, evasion. literally everything spectre wants. but it is so expensive. I usually get it after diffusal if I'm not taking that much damage. but sometimes I may skip diffusal if I go tank first and get this item instead for the evasion.

    - Skadi. Skadi effect on the entire team? Best item on spectre imo. but so expensive. This is where I get torn. If I'm in a rough spot and taking a lot of damage, usually I try to tank up, and skadi is my first choice. The problem is it takes another 10-15 minutes to build it, and I start to fall behind in damage if I build it first.

    - Heart. Generally don't build heart unless I want maximum tank. Usually build it after skadi anyways unless the game is just a shitshow of constant fights where I always need max health.

    - Refresher. Well, yeah. double haunt is frightening. but it doesn't provide stats or passives or anything really besides double haunt/manta.

    my issue here is that when I need to build survivability, it costs way to much. Should I focus on just going glass cannon spectre? diffusal -> butterfly. Or should I continue attempting to build skadi/heart, and focus on farming instead of fighting until I get it?

    Androgynous

      illusions don't apply skadi's slow, but skadi seems better than butterfly if you don't have any other 5k+ items even if it might not give as much survivability vs physical compared to butterfly, raw HP is useful against all types of damage, plus dispersion doesn't reflect damage if you evade an attack.

      yung griphook

        pretty sure you should always focus on farming but just haunt into fights to secure kills . but im normal skill so..

        OraCLesofFire

          I'm normal skill as well :/ and that's what I generally do. I always try to stay as far away from the other team as I can and farm, and join the fights after the initiation

          Schleem

            http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2398179916 everything can work (radi purchased last, vanguard first)

            King of Low Prio

              My usual phase aquila vangard radiance manta build works fine still