General DiscussionWK item

There are builds for literally every hero in the guides section.

Ya I agree a DMG item that have tankness and some speed late middle game sure Armlet scale better and my play style is always back to jungle farm after win or lose fight.At least Armlet is more suitable for me if not for everyone

@JDF8
Yeah the problem of Echo Sabre is that armlet is just too good on WK as the first item and really cost effecient. Everytime I get echo as my first item a part of me crying. Volvo remove/nerf armlet pls so I dont look stupid kek xD. However, if you are looking for a new kind of experience you can get echo as your first item.
I would still make it (NOT EVERY GAME THO) cuz I like the mechanics of the item and I didnt find any hero that benifits a lot from Echo Sabre perhaps only LC. So, on WK Echo Sabre is decent its not that terrible but seeing posts comparing Echo Sabre on WK to dagon on AM just gives me cancer.

^I get caught hat you mean.
btw Riki Dagon is better then AM Dagon.

echo sabre is stupid on WK because for less gold you can get armlet which gives you 25 attack speed, and echo sabre gives you 30 attack speed on average (if we treat it as attack speed), while not giving you even remotely close to 65 damage (also don't forget armor), and I treat it as attack speed because you are going to jump the target, stun them, then slow them for some reason, hit it twice quickly, instead of having an armlet and just hitting hard all the time

there's zero reason to ever get echo sabre on this hero, you either get burst regen or nothing at all (shrines, arcanes on supports, etc)

ARMLET outDPSes echo pretty much in 1.5 seconds which is terrible news for echo, and on a single target hero that already has a hard disable

So if me and enemies both active BM I can't reflect the DMG reflect by enemies BM?

No
Otherwise you both would die instantly

just check out the guides page on dotabuff on any hero and you don't have to ask questions

Checked just thought ask here might get more details and I want to see how different mmr range human think also

humans tend to be bad at thinking tho ;p

Humans still think better than nearly every single other creatures on earth

Why Indonesian and some Malaysian laught as 'wkwkwk'?

brown boots->aghs->divine->profit??

im an indonesian and idk why ,ppl do not laugh like that @1IceTea but they write that for reasons

It's only a different way to write "hahaha"
Just like how peruvians say "jajaja",
Russkis say "xaxaxa", and snipers say "hoho haha"

pt+optional wand->armlet->blink->MoM (or mom before blink)? Whatcha thinking

@bws
get it.

I play a few WK today but never try MoM tho,problem I facing is still getting kite hard,might try MoM tomorrow

If teammate already have initiator is it ok to skip SB/Blink and direct go to SnY and Skadi for the meme and incredible mana pool?

played with an armlet-blink-mom wraith king, seemed pretty nice.

start jungle 7min midas into phase boots, armlet, sange yasha (talentree +movement), Abyssal, AC

Fast and Strong not ez to kite

phase wk :[

im sure skadi is fine if your team has plenty of damage, their team isnt super armor reduction, and they dont have weaver/lycan/DS

Win rate on WK is higher for Echo than Armlet.. why would that be if it is worse?

radiance aghanin refresher divane bkb gg

BOSANSKI MAC

what if i get both armlet and echo sabre.

why is blademail core? I guess I usually build echo cus I don't blade mail. It's usually treads, armlet, echo/blink, deso, ac/bkb/basher.

Win rate on WK is higher for Echo than Armlet.. why would that be if it is worse?

dagon 5 has really high winrate on wk too have you tried that?

real answer: bad dota players cant manage mana or armlet toggle

most dota players are awful = echo has high winrate because it is a crutch

solar crest has much higher winrate on legion than desolator has

my armlet toggle is awesome and i think im 7 k armlet toggler or 9k rly

Dagon 4 has a 400 player sample... echo sabre 2.5 million.

I dont think your explanation matches your argument because echo sabre has a higher winrate on WK than his overall win rate.

If Echo sabre is a crutch, its a brilliant one because it boosts winrate 5% past the hero average.

^I hope you understand that average MMR is 2.2k

that's why global winrates for items are almost completely meaningless since 99% of the sample pool is sub 5k shit

the avg mmr is somewhere between 2k and 3k

these are players that do not treadswap, do not buy wand, and do not buy raindrops

i don't give half a shit about average stats, because they reflect average players

thats why the meta part of the heroes section is actually interesting, unlike everything else

^Seem legit.
By the way how you all think of SnY WK?

Armlet first most of them time cuz you are willing to farm more but in some case you might wanted to get BM first or sometimes skip the BM and getting another item instend . All item is situtional . But here are item you should choose to get as WK :

Armlet , Deso , Mjor , Bkb , Rad , Agh , AC , (Stanic?? Idk if that nice on wk) , BM , Abaysal , MKB , Bloodthorn , Silver Egde , Blink , Echo .... there alot more but these are what come into my mine and if i play jungle Wk i would get

PT>Armet> Magic wand> Echo/Agh/Deso > "choice " > " choice " > " choice " .....

I just love the Agh wk so much ;-; specailly when you fight with magnus or egima i found it so useful

Nah,Stanic is bad we got the +20% lifesteal talent on level 25 anyways,his only problem is just getting kite,my SnY and Skadi idea are based on that,you won't get kite easily once you hit and miam them

if you are going radiance how about manta

lul

usually i see more people building mj/rad so they die even if they kite you

I'm sure if you want to stick on people sny skadi or abyssal skadi is the build, although i might just skip sny for silver edge (easier to kite but more dps and burst damage, sb is cheaper and gives more utility)

try phase=>MoM=>SnY=>abyssal rofl

if you see there's no way to teamfight the enemy team at a point, you can go for a shadowblade for some pickoffs, WK's attack speed is crap, but with shadowblade into stun you can kill supports very easily (and even squishier carries)

basically the same things applies here as does to sven

even if you can take tfs as well silver edge is good stats and opens up more possibilities for pickoff/outplay

a lot of other items are super good on wk though, wheras on slardar i feel like silver edge is an almost every game item

Ya I did build SB and to SE if my team don't have Hardcore invite hero.

No one answered my blade mail question =(

Doesn't wk want to take hits for his team?

blaeemail is good
but u can go armlet radi mjolnir blink wihout blademail if u have fucking tank like underlord

I try to take hit and eat spell with my body from enemies when I play WK.

Hmmm, I'd like to know more of this radiance BM build. Seems like fun.

Whats item to follow? HoT? Abyssal? Aghs? Skadi? Dagger?

How to play it?

Jumping to the middle of battlefield, stun some guy and hits whenever you are not disabled and can hit?

just being there, center of the storm, sharing your burning briliance and return damage? With an occasional hit or two?

Enlight me, guys.

And here I am rushing radiance, following up with phase boots, Sabre/armlet, AC, heart. Works for me though.

Is a phase boots build feasible if you take the +8 int at level 10 or are treads just the better item all around?

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