General Discussionhow do fuck do i lane against monkey king + treant

trilane and immediately combo someone to death at level 1, then keep killing them over and over

if you don't kill them repeatedly at level 1 they will kill you later and the lane will surely be lost

and how do you do that

treant bashes you for 200 on level one, if you have a one melee hero on trilane like pudge then it's just a double kill regardless of how low hp you bring him
+ BALANCED 300 RANGE AUTOATTACK ON A MELEE HERO THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE

You buy sentries bring them to lane and bring a strong trilane if not abandon the lane simple as leave someone solo vs 2 who just sits back and leeches XP and focus on the other lanes. Also phoenix absolutely shits on MK so just solo phoenix with sents against that dual lane and trilane elsewhere and phoenix should be able to win that match up or at least go even easily.

Deforestation

you have a sentry and 2 stuns + luna or weaver and you just right click tree to death at rune, or when one of them approaches the creep wave you stun - stun - dead

they have no defensive abilities besides a .7s bash at lvl 1 and they cant manfight 2 supports + the swarm / lunar blessing / whatever garbage safelaner you have (slark probably) even with the mk because the guy you focus tries to run and dies

if you have weak supports or a jungler just bend over ur done

Yeah weak supports vs MK is a lost lane in fact I win like 99% of my Mk games when they have a dual lane with any support you really just want to trilane early vs MK get a couple of kills then let your carry solo VS him and the supports can go elswhere after about the 3 minute mark to gank or farm jungle.

lul ttilane is shit i played trilane vs drow killed her 10 times in 5 min she didnt had nothing but i still lost very fast cause of midd and bot untouched
so best thing is to leave lane (if ur offlaner) and farm camps and runes and come get exp when u can
and counters to mk are burst heroes like lion etc

Lion isn't a particularly good counter to MK. I have 100% win rate vs Lion as Mk over 7 games.

Oh and Oracle absolutely fucks MK in the ass. So you can Disarm Mk to stop him building up passive nuke him with Purifying flames and fortunes end purges MKs Jingu mastery buff. Anything with Purge hugely counters MK as you can remove his Passive stacks once he as 4.

Viper lich or brood solo

3 possibilities=

1. have supports to suck you off

2. sap exp

3. leave lane go other or jungle

omg just DONT LET HIM HIT YOU

requires ur supports to not be awful
gl with that lol.

i get megatilted whenever i see that guy hitting me with 300 range, i even bough windlace as starting item yet this thing kept happening for some reason
we ran at them on level one, almost killed one of them (i think it was mk), then suddenly he got his passive with like 100 hp and suddenly we couldnt kill him, he just rightclicked us to death even though we were more or less ~60% hp and got a double kill

since then the lane just became a train wreck, we managed to get kills on treant but mk just cleaned up everytime to the point where i was dead on two hits with Q+aac on minute 6 or so

Probably help mid. When sky goes mid, he is scary as hell

Another good pick against both Monkey King and Treant is Techies ! both these heroes relies on trees to hide on/in them and Techies can punish them hard by planting Proximity mines in the trees in the early game. also consider that you have 2 of the strongest early games nukes (Proximity mines + Blast off ) and one of the longest silences in the game.you have a very long attack ranges so you don't need to come close to MK to attack him so you can constantly right click him in the lane to make him angry :D. you can easlily counter this build.
take a look at this match for example (me playing as Techies vs MK ) :https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2923715332

@Mighty Mist
How he dont touch u with range atack as melle

a lot of tangoes and quellingblades on everyone

i think that once mk gets echo sabre the game is just over

he was able to nearly kill two of us while having only boots and orb of venom while we killed him 4 times before that

u either bring 3 heroes to kill them or leave carry to get xp and u go roam or carry goes woods and u stay on lane but then treants gonna haunt him woods so not recommended

or start offlane vs their safelane

or pick batrider and cut all trees xD

how bout pick razor?

ursa +1

How about Slardar ult or AGHS Balanar ohhh but were talking about laning phase IDK I never really had a problem laning against MK although I haven't experience it yet laning against Treant and MK.

If your heroes on lane lets say for example in safe lane usually there will be 2 heroes on that lane the Safe lane carry and Support if atleast 1 of those heroes have stun then stun MK then disengage I mean there's not really need to forcefully fight and exchange blows with MK not unless its really unavoidable.

i think, you people miss read the title, there is a word TREANT and he is a real problem for supports... mk is same shit like slark or any other agggressive carry

As a support, try to stack small camp to deny creeps while hiding near the tower, get sentries too for treant. if u die once far from tower it's gg, try to go for bounties too. You'll be looking for opportunities to kill when the enemy overextend while getting some levels.

As a carry stay behind your creeps, pull enemy creeps close to you to last hit and if you're melee Get salves and pms to stay at a reasonable hp pool and just wait for the enemy to overextend and u kill them with your supports easy.
Please don't leave the lane because it is a free tower for the enemy and you want to kill them by baiting them to dive you to comeback into the game.

Also trilanes are always garbage and you should nvr trilane lul, always one roamer or 212 or one jungler

Also mk treant is not the ultimate combo, it's mk plus a stunner like Leshrac and u pretty much lose the lane. Lesh stays back until enemy supports think they are hot shit and try to zone mk and then they just die.

I am a pro pos 4 offensive dual Laner support that is super experienced. And I am telling you how my enemies owned me in the early game.

I still insist that best pick against these 2 guys is Techies ! :D you eveneont need a sentry because he won't dare getting near the trees! Youcan even solo oflane vs them

i am the supports

i get megatilted whenever i see that guy hitting me with 300 range, i even bough windlace as starting item yet this thing kept happening for some reason

ur literally reddit btw