General Discussionreasoning for shivas on tinker

makes u reasonably tanky with bs

thats cool i guess

if u have spell lifesteal it gives you 300 hp if you hit a creepwave

the laser damage is so good though

far faster wave clear maybe
idk you dont die that easily with shiva after you use it
i think it's pretty gud in some games

shiva rapes teamfights, thats it imo.. i don't think people build shivas nowadays except as a lategame slot (against negative armor or to slow shit down)

every item tinker buys "rapes teamfights"

i buy screst on heroes against ta, slardar

i buy force staff against ursa, i buy euls against axe

none of these on tinker obviously

i just mean theres no situation that makes me go "time to build shivas ez win" on tinker,
and would like to know what makes good players buy it.

I played as ck vs shiva tinker and was really frustrating

You can't really get close against a shivas, even less with a shivas spam

none of these on tinker obviously

You push in lanes incredibly fast, shivas>rearm>shivas and back into the backpack. Also good versus some illusion heroes.

ur extremely limited on slots. euls costs too much mana for its utility and is a cheap slot eater. solar crest is trash. force i buy if i have to

@analytical analizer bs + shivas makes tinker a bit tanky, but anyway, u dont want to get catch using tinker, doesnt matter how tanky u are..

@JDF8 agreed, why does eul wasten more mana than sheepstick.. f*ck logic.. i hate when he perma chiken me and then shot (dagon) again again and again until a'm dead..

Night vision probably

i can picture some crazy scenario where they have no stuns so tinker just goes blademail shiva octarine and kills everyone with spell lifesteal on aoe and blademail

had some 6k try it on the enemy team but he didnt go shiva so he melted to physical damage

It makes you tanky, also helps pushing very fast lanes, which is a huge thing lategame.

i buy for push lanes and farm better and ofc for dmg and slow but mainly for push and farm

I cannot answer .. U are very high skilled player! Wish i were good like op :-(

Tbh shivas is good when the only option the enemy has of confronting you is running at you. Imo its biggest value is when you can kite the shit out of someone. Also abt tinker, when do u upgrade ghost scepter?

Hmm yea. Wat blunt said n also only reason I can think of is if u really want more aoe dmg

gives vision when going for a solo kill <- very underrated aspect

i'm finally winning with this damn hero

3 wins to 50%

like i wouldnt buy solar ever either but i think that force euls are pretty good in certain situations if you make hex at some point
no melee rightclicker can kill your team, ever

maybe it's not exactly gamewinning but i'd trigger enemy ursa for sure LMAO

cyclon force = never buy them unlezs u rly rly need force
items u should always look for is bloodstone after blink
after bloodstone 20 -25 min i farm up to 35 min dagon lvl 5 and shiva or eth