it just made both options viable. for me i would go bloodthorn after veil/bots/blink for better damage since you dont have cd reduction anymore so getting octarine is pointless and you have to transition for a more reliable lategame
(ns opinion)
I still feel like you can run over them with the good ol' Veil build - but I always built another damage item immediately after BoT instead of blink (like Maelstorm, or Radiance).
Games generally don't go over 30 minutes unless you camp their fountain. XD
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Hey. HOw do you play your embers these days? He's been nerfed quite hard.
For me, I returned back to bots, drums, batfu, daeda. But its not that effective yet.
What about you? Pls share your thoughts :)