yep, total +48 damage and 2 tree cutters make farming so fucking ridiculously fast, i recently went from having only boots + iron talon + perserverance + qb in 13 min due to a bad lane, to having 6 slots in 30 on a game.
it sounds so stupid on paper, but it's so goddamn legit.
+48 is A LOT OF DAMAGE
i mean it does sound absolutely ridiculous on paper. question is, is using that 500 gold for the talon better than just saving it for battlefury
anyone above 6k can inflate his winrate to whatever the fuck he wants by playing party or unranked
I think my AM winrate in ranked is 62% or something so I am a bit inflated by party unranked but not as bad as others I see, I still have more ranked games than unranked with the hero. The hero has been weak recently so I haven't been picking it that much but after 7.03 changes it tentatively seems at least as good as it was in 6.88. I'll probably be spamming it soon enough if I can get some mag pickers on my team.
I've known talon+qb stacks for a while but I treated it like a meme strat for when I randomed bloodseeker jungle until I saw Envy do it in a game and I immediately realised it was genius.
then you could pretty much just skip the bfury and go straight manta/vlads/basher
i mean antimage with 20 min manta vlad basher is quite scarier than a 30 minute one.
I've always been skeptical of no BF builds as they ALWAYS lack mana regen, and AM with no mana regen is really sad. Perhaps if I had cm as well but at that point I'm getting 2 heroes to make a build viable.
i used basi>vlads + raindrop, gives a lot of regen.
and even lets you join fights reliably
not perfect, but lets you run around for 1-2 jungle clears at a very fast speed and then go shrine in base
It's a decent amount of mana regen but then you have treads+vlad+raindrop+scroll+qb+pms you are already out of item slots. Also I fight as AM anyway once I have my treads BF it's why I'm better at the hero than most.
the thing is , bfury is no longer 12-14 min, more like 13-15 min now due to creep nerf and passive gold nerf. so that might be an issue.
If qb stacks with BF that could be a cheap option if you just rushed BF in a free lane and want some cheap farm acceleration. Main reason I like talon is that it accelerates your BF and makes early jungling a bit faster/more stable.
It stacks but it doesn't stack too. The effects stack, you get the +24 from qb and the +24 from iron talon, and the 60% bonus from battle fury. But battlefury is percent and only affects base dmg/attribute dmg while the quelling effects on qb and iron talon are raw dmg so they won't be increased.
So yes, you could upgrade to battlefury and then buy another qb for +24 more dmg but it would not be increased by 60% battlefury buff.
@therealcutnpaste i made the same fuckin thread and said going qb and iron talon on heroes with good AS (i said for jugg) will increase farming speed and db dicks started telling me I should not get it useless af 
I usually went IronTalon to maelstrom build previous patches.
Now I think I should try talon,qb to bf and mael..scary farming lul, And team fight!!
@therealcutnpaste
https://www.dotabuff.com/topics/2017-03-19-its-something-
here is the link
^but the real cutnpaste has played over 500 matches :)
well I see you are spamming AM as well maybe you can tell me how not to feed as AM
@superman
they stack qb talon and bf
It isn't 500 - it is 250 gold because you can sell it to buy bf.
Definitely increases you gpm by more than 25 in the 10mins you have it.
when i get back to dota i will start spamming AM mid with these items
PMS-talon(first for the extra 2 aromur)-qb-treads-aquila/vlads-maelstrom-manta insead of qb-mjollnir-skadi instead of talon then moon shard
you dont need so much regen instead ring of health you get from starting build tangos and buy salve if needed tho there are shrines also once i get yasha i start playing really aggressive
I don't play carries much (if at all), sp I don't have much knowledge about playing am, but would echo sabre be viable for this kind of build? Cheap str, attack speed, the double hit sounds nice and of course mana regen
DOUBLE HIT
ON A HERO THAT ADDS UP AGI AND HAS ONE OF THE LOWEST BAT IN THE GAME
NONONONONONONO
holy shit it's strong I just tried u hit creeps for ~100 dmg when u get talon and qb LMAO, you can clear a wave and farm jungle at the same time very early and start getting ~10cs/min @4 mins and imagining in a real game u get at least 2 towers and a few kills this is very possible u get 15-16 min manta bfury XD I want to try this in a real game now.
^yo can you try maelstrom i think it much better and comes "online" faster but it is also good on jugg cuz of his high AS and the good crit
ye at that kinda speed even with bf regen u run out of mana pretty quick and have to use shrines sometimes or send clarities, so maelstorm wouldn't really work.
^ ROFL how the fuck?? XD I'm like 5 slotted at that time and it takes another 2 minutes to get 6 slotted XD
Dude I got min 19 BF against crazy ass ganking lineup
How can you get 20 on an empty lobby xd
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Buy an iron talon on AM it's +24 damage for 500 gold that stacks with qb and gives you armour.